View Full Version : I am Wrongfully accused of Copyright Violation on deviantArt
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Rex_Mundi_Incarnit
02-07-2008, 01:16 AM
Gosh Roj, that's a bizarre policy. No warning at all? Just *poof* and your work is removed? Do you know who reported it? It's probably some jerk-ass troll.
Gosh Roj, that's a bizarre policy. No warning at all? Just *poof* and your work is removed? Do you know who reported it? It's probably some jerk-ass troll.
It is - it's two "ladies" (and I use the term extremely loosely) who I got in a tangle with a while back. Some serious jealousy involved. Nothing worse than a teacher superceded by a student - who then has it thrown in her face when she tries to laud it over said student.
Protocol
02-07-2008, 02:31 AM
Roj, I don't usually follow the art threads, so I am probably asking an ignorant question.
But here goes.
Just to be clear. Are all those themes including taskbar, sidebar, wallpaper etc all your work?
Roj, I don't usually follow the art threads, so I am probably asking an ignorant question.
But here goes.
Just to be clear. Are all those themes including taskbar, sidebar, wallpaper etc all your work?
Heavens no - and I never claimed they were. In fact, in most of the postings I credit the creators of the visual styles and provide links ot them. The creators of those visual styles are all my friends and happy to see me make sidebars to match them. In all cases, I have beta tested their styles for them and if you follow the links, you'll find me listed as a contributor.
The only work that is mine is the sidebar skins.
Protocol
02-07-2008, 02:58 AM
The only work that is mine is the sidebar skins.
OK. Now I am clear. You do the sidebar skins. :)
OK. Now I am clear. You do the sidebar skins. :)
Sidebars-R-Us. :) :) ;)
WHAT?
02-07-2008, 03:15 AM
Good luck Roj.
Good luck Roj.
Thank you. :)
acushla
02-07-2008, 06:06 AM
http://roj.deviantart.com/I understand the anger, and I understand the pointlessness of, if one was being 'professional', pursuing this in a court of law. I see reposting and reposting as a stated 'this is what I'm going to do if you do not give me an apology' before you have given them a opportunity to apologize is short sighted at best. For one thing you want the apology to be genuine...as in we sincerely are sorry...we acted in haste...and we were wrong. To have an apology due to a threat (which you would never get anyway) is no apology at all. Somebody telling me something about honey and bees or something.:foureyes:
Reposting and reposting is, in my opinion, something an 8yr old would do. Why bother? Why waste your time? It went wrong...reposting and reposting is never going to make it 'right' no matter what the outcome. You're better than they are. Now just act like it.:cool:
This was all good though because in reading your profile I finally figured out what is at the root of that 'difference' and 'antagonism' between us.
It's simple. You like Queen.:bulb:
Protocol
02-07-2008, 07:37 AM
Nice post acushla. I totally agree.
And Roj, I think you will agree also, now that you have had time to calm down and think about it.
I learnt some time ago never to respond to someone (especially in writing) when you are angry or upset. It is amazing how different the response can be after you have had time to calm down and think about the situation.
But we all make mistakes. :)
Tokelil
02-07-2008, 08:10 AM
I think you are wrong on you copyright remarks, but I'm no copyright expert. Taken from the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Obtaining_and_enforcing_copyright), which describes it as I think it is:
In all countries where the Berne Convention standards apply, copyright is automatic, and need not be obtained through official registration with any government office. Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights.
acushla
02-07-2008, 08:12 AM
But we all make mistakes. :)
...errr...you do know this is Roj we're talking about?:cheeky:
acushla
02-07-2008, 08:18 AM
I think you are wrong on you copyright remarks, but I'm no copyright expert.I can tell you from first hand experience that in Canada...Copyright Law is confusing at best.
As a Photographer I am deemed to be the copyright holder if I have the original negative and nobody has any signed documents from me stating that I have given up my copyright 'rights'. How this is determined when it comes to a painting/drawing...I have no idea...but I betcha it takes up at least a chapter in a book!:foureyes:
Todd The Kiwi
02-07-2008, 08:36 AM
roj wigging out -> http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/moods/anger.gif
so a couple of deviant tarts got the pip?
get in there and chill them muthas out :cheeky:
Tokelil
02-07-2008, 11:19 AM
I can tell you from first hand experience that in Canada...Copyright Law is confusing at best.
As a Photographer I am deemed to be the copyright holder if I have the original negative and nobody has any signed documents from me stating that I have given up my copyright 'rights'. How this is determined when it comes to a painting/drawing...I have no idea...but I betcha it takes up at least a chapter in a book!:foureyes:Well it can be hard to make proof in a lot of cases, but still in theory you are the copyright holder if you do almost any original work. Whether you are able to uphold the copyright in court is another matter.
My guess is that they're not going to do SFA about it - given that I've heard the same from others. They do what they do and that's that. I don't expect an apology or even an indication that they have received any contact from me.
So I will repost if I do not receive any comment form them within the next day.
Apology genuine? This is a buerocracy and that's never going to happen - organizations like that don't work that way. They brush things under the rug and continue on their way.
So I will do the same - and reposting is my equivalent.
Finally, the legal ramifications are to me. If I lose a security certification because of their bullshit, you bet your sweet ass I'm going after them in court. They're messing with my livelihood and career.
I understand the anger, and I understand the pointlessness of, if one was being 'professional', pursuing this in a court of law. I see reposting and reposting as a stated 'this is what I'm going to do if you do not give me an apology' before you have given them a opportunity to apologize is short sighted at best. For one thing you want the apology to be genuine...as in we sincerely are sorry...we acted in haste...and we were wrong. To have an apology due to a threat (which you would never get anyway) is no apology at all. Somebody telling me something about honey and bees or something.:foureyes:
Reposting and reposting is, in my opinion, something an 8yr old would do. Why bother? Why waste your time? It went wrong...reposting and reposting is never going to make it 'right' no matter what the outcome. You're better than they are. Now just act like it.:cool:
This was all good though because in reading your profile I finally figured out what is at the root of that 'difference' and 'antagonism' between us.
It's simple. You like Queen.:bulb:
regener8ed
02-07-2008, 07:16 PM
been there, i feel your pain. handled swiftly and satisfactorily, although that was years ago and the administration was entirely different.
been there, i feel your pain. handled swiftly and satisfactorily, although that was years ago and the administration was entirely different.
No answer from them yet.
acushla
02-07-2008, 10:00 PM
No answer from them yet.You're not holding your breath are you?
You're not holding your breath are you?
nope - but the file will be going back up this evening.
acushla
02-07-2008, 10:39 PM
nope - but the file will be going back up this evening.With all due respect...explain again why you insist on spending your time reposting the 'file'.
Doesn't this amount to somebody winking at a girl in a totally black room?
Why waste your time?
With all due respect...explain again why you insist on spending your time reposting the 'file'.
Doesn't this amount to somebody winking at a girl in a totally black room?
Why waste your time?
Because it had 19,000 downloads and was still being downloaded at the rate of 100 a day. Because it was the most successful skin I had and I like others to enjoy it. Because I'm a stubborn cuss and don't take shit form a two-bit management team who wouldn't recognize a copyright violation if it reached up and bit them in the ass.
And most of all, because I'm Right.
Duplicate post due to this stupid board.
acushla
02-07-2008, 11:31 PM
And most of all, because I'm Right.I did not have an answer when I asked the question.
I was not aware of all the 'facts' surrounding this story. Knowing more I understand more...and can better empathise with you.
How much better it would be if there was an avenue 'behind the scenes' to discuss this with someone sensitive to your concerns and have it resolved to your satisfaction with no feelings of animosity.
I gather that's just a fools dream.
I did not have an answer when I asked the question.
I was not aware of all the 'facts' surrounding this story. Knowing more I understand more...and can better empathise with you.
How much better it would be if there was an avenue 'behind the scenes' to discuss this with someone sensitive to your concerns and have it resolved to your satisfaction with no feelings of animosity.
I gather that's just a fools dream.
Alan, I'm not ragging on you. It's like having a prize photograph that you spent time and effort getting just right - a prize winning one, no less - and then having someone say "you stole it".
My skin was the most downloaded desktop sidebar skin on the site. a landmark. and now it's gone. that's why i'm pissed.
acushla
02-08-2008, 02:15 AM
Alan, I'm not ragging on you. It's like having a prize photograph that you spent time and effort getting just right - a prize winning one, no less - and then having someone say "you stole it".
My skin was the most downloaded desktop sidebar skin on the site. a landmark. and now it's gone. that's why i'm pissed.Roj...honestly, it never occurred to me that you were 'ragging on me'. If I did think that I would say it.
I wanted a clearer understanding of what was happening...and perhaps be lucky enough to offer some sort of insight.
With this post I fully comprehend what you are saying and all I can tell you is that when two photographs of mine were stolen from a exhibit I went straight to the Police and reported it.
Having said that I personally feel that all you are achieving now is to immerse yourself in the anger, the injustice and a few other adjectives I can't think of right now.
I'd say...do yourself a favour, accept it...move on. Eventually it's what you're going to do anyway.
Either that or they'll be pushing crayons underneath the door to your cell.:cool:
Either that or they'll be pushing crayons underneath the door to your cell.:cool:
Thanks for the first real chuckle I've had in days. :)
I just reposted the skin and that's that. I've done all I can and will now move on. Cuba in just over a week - can't wait. :)
Todd The Kiwi
02-08-2008, 07:13 AM
awesome rip roj ;)
WHAT?
02-09-2008, 12:01 AM
Kuu Ba?
You skipp'N town now mon?
Kuu Ba?
You skipp'N town now mon?
In a week - Sunday the 17th.
And here's my final word on deviantArt:
http://roj.deviantart.com/
I took your advice Alan.
I'm free:
http://roj.deviantart.com/
I took all my bile, all my fristration, all my anger and channelled it to them in such a way that all they can do is read it and do nothing for fear of giving themselves away.
They get to bottle it all up inside and can never respond.
I've given it all back and I'm done with it.
acushla
02-09-2008, 03:17 AM
I took your advice Alan.
I'm free:
http://roj.deviantart.com/
I took all my bile, all my fristration, all my anger and channelled it to them in such a way that all they can do is read it and do nothing for fear of giving themselves away.
They get to bottle it all up inside and can never respond.
I've given it all back and I'm done with it.Miles Davis?
OK...I forgive the 'Queen' thing.
Anybody who likes Davis can't be all bad.:)
Miles Davis?
OK...I forgive the 'Queen' thing.
Anybody who likes Davis can't be all bad.:)
Dude - you've known for a LONG time that I adore Miles. :)
I also adore Freddy. :) :) ;)
acushla
02-09-2008, 04:09 AM
Dude - you've known for a LONG time that I adore Miles. :)
I also adore Freddy. :) ;)That's true...just that the Freddy thing threw me off my game!
How long have you been into 'musicals'?:cheeky: Perhaps you've heard of Gilbert and Sullivan?:cool:
That's true...just that the Freddy thing threw me off my game!
How long have you been into 'musicals'?:cheeky: Perhaps you've heard of Gilbert and Sullivan?:cool:
I love musicals. :) :) ;)
"Springtime for Hitlaaaaa in Germaaaannnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyyyy..."
acushla
02-09-2008, 04:34 AM
I love musicals. :) :) ;)
"Springtime for Hitlaaaaa in Germaaaannnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyyyy..."
That was very good.
Heeeee's Baaaaaccccckkkkkk!:silly:
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