Copy protected CDs

[Qaz]

They're the worst thing music business ever thought. And do they even work, I mean if you really know you're doing? Maybe I'll just go throw my MP3 player in garbage :mad:

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I've never come across this problem, but then again i download a lot of stuff or borrow cd's from people.

[Todd The Kiwi]

I've never come across this problem, but then again i download a lot of stuff or borrow cd's from people.

i have never encountered this problem either man , maybe we have different cd's down here ? any notable differences to watch out for maybe a specific company or label that do this ? we do , however, have problems copying some dvd's :(

[#The fREaK!]

Some CDs here in sweden cant be read from a computer. This is an attemt to stop people from copying CDs for non-private use. Ironically, many people gets pissed off and downloads the CD instead. :D

[Tokelil]

Here in Denmark (and I would guess most of the european countries) a lot of the new CDs are copy protected. They have (the law here in Denmark demands that) a sticker on them that says they are a copy protected. There are ways to bypass the protections depending on what kind of protection it is.

[Hanzo]

As long as there is a way to hear a CD, there is a way to copy them. If they are copy protected, you can always use your trusty line-in jack on the back of your soundcard.

[Todd The Kiwi]

As long as there is a way to hear a CD, there is a way to copy them. If they are copy protected, you can always use your trusty line-in jack on the back of your soundcard.

hadn't thought of that man , if i get a 'problem cd' i'll give it a go :D

[Qaz]

Ironically, many people gets pissed off and downloads the CD instead. :D
Exactly, so they actually might increase piracy. Heard that WinXP would ingore the protections, but not quite sure about that.
As long as there is a way to hear a CD, there is a way to copy them. If they are copy protected, you can always use your trusty line-in jack on the back of your soundcard.
Too bad I have a crappy stereos. Doesn't have line-out socket :(

[Tokelil]

But copying it through ones ordinary CD-player to the line in will decrease quality wish isn't good. :( Luckely most of the copy protected CDs can be ripped one way or the other. And if they cant I'll stop buying CD's cause I allways rip my CDs to my computer and listen to them there.

[Todd The Kiwi]

anyone else "do" vinyl ? can't 'copy protect' that :D :D :D only problem is that you fill your house with big black shiny things and have trouble with speaker placement , losing girlfriend , squash the cat and numerous other comical scenarios that only a vinyl junkie would get.

[Hanzo]

There's this thing about quality again. How much can it diminish?? 1% overall ?? And in the case it sounds good to the listener... what happens? It's you who are listening to the music, so your ears are the judge in this.

I mean, if you can't rip a CD the normal way, give the line-in jack a shot. In the worst case it will sound "crappy" but you can delete the files.

As for ripping vinyl. I would use the line-in too. Only if you have kept your vinyl like they were relics (and they are !) or you can use many of the available programs that offer this functionality. All of them mostly just apply noise/crack reduction schemes to the music that comes thru the line-in.

[Tokelil]

Im not sure how much quality will diminish. But going from CD (digital) to your amp (analog) to your soundcard (that converts back to digital) isn't what I would call an exact copy of a CD. (Well I guess its even legal then...) Hmm, anyway I'll have to try it someday. If not for anything but to test the D/A and A/D converts in my amp and soundcard.

[Todd The Kiwi]

[QUOTE=Hanzo]There's this thing about quality again. How much can it diminish?? 1% overall ?? And in the case it sounds good to the listener... what happens? . As for ripping vinyl. I would use the line-in too. Only if you have kept your vinyl like they were relics (and they are !) or you can use many of the available programs that offer this functionality.

if you don't look after them they crap out faster than a cd BUT if they are taken care of they will (and do ) out last a human i only buy good quality vinyl i'm using soundforge 7 and adobe audition , but my vinyl is mostly pristine even the really old stuff, my oldest is 1967 pink floyd "the piper at the gates of dawn" so i don't "destroy" it with noise remover cool that it can be done though :D i have my amp plugged directly into the soundcard . turntable>amp>soundcard>amp>speakers > :D :D

[Todd The Kiwi]

Only if you have kept your vinyl like they were relics (and they are !) quote hanzo .

i also buy brand new vinyl that hasn't even been released into the record shops or even reached cd yet , but i do dig the old thick 50 oz vinyl from "back in the day" (not mine) most of the drum and bass i get never gets to a cd which puzzles me somewhat ???? :confused:

[collector]

hadn't thought of that man , if i get a 'problem cd' i'll give it a go :D

And depending on the quality of your audio cdplayer, it will give you better sound too. I got my pre-amp connected to my soundcard and off course my $500 cdplayer gives me better quality than my $50 cdrom does.
And I can also use all other equipment as a source.
Tuner, tape, cassette, vcr, turntable. Great.

[collector]

anyone else "do" vinyl ? can't 'copy protect' that :D :D :D

I do, not often, but I do. It is very time consuming.
Althought I care about my collection I have to deal with the noise, rumble, hiss and so on. But it works, and it`s a hobby.
And the only way to get a digi copy from records they don`t released on cd yet.

[rorythedog]

"Collector" took the words right out of my mouth. I've never recorded through the line-in but I have used it for playback purposes (via a £800 CD player) and I can assure you that it does sound better than my CD-Rom. Don't forget the old adage "garbage in, garbage out". Never a truer word said. Also, vinyl potentially sounds infinitely better than CD. Ah, those were the days. One more thing. I've only heard of 2 CD's that are copy protected, By Madonna and Dido. Might I suggest we're not missing much :D

[Todd The Kiwi]

"Collector" took the words right out of my mouth. I've never recorded through the line-in but I have used it for playback purposes (via a £800 CD player) and I can assure you that it does sound better than my CD-Rom. Don't forget the old adage "garbage in, garbage out". Never a truer word said. Also, vinyl potentially sounds infinitely better than CD. Ah, those were the days. One more thing. I've only heard of 2 CD's that are copy protected, By Madonna and Dido. Might I suggest we're not missing much :D

mandonna and die dodo ha ha ha ha

[Heigar]

"Collector" took the words right out of my mouth. I've never recorded through the line-in but I have used it for playback purposes (via a £800 CD player) and I can assure you that it does sound better than my CD-Rom. Don't forget the old adage "garbage in, garbage out". Never a truer word said. Also, vinyl potentially sounds infinitely better than CD. Ah, those were the days. One more thing. I've only heard of 2 CD's that are copy protected, By Madonna and Dido. Might I suggest we're not missing much :D
Not missing much? More like not missing anything!:D

[Hanzo]

Not missing much? More like not missing anything!:D
I'm not missing madonna... but Dido is a different story. I have the MP3's anyway :cool:

[rorythedog]

I'm not missing madonna... but Dido is a different story. I have the MP3's anyway :cool:
You say you have the MP3's, implying you have more than one. Why not save valuable HD space and delete all but one of them. You know you want to. :D

[hedge]

You say you have the MP3's, implying you have more than one. Why not save valuable HD space and delete all but one of them. You know you want to. :D
i don't mind a few of dido's songs... good for the quieter moments anyway. :cool:

[Hanzo]

You say you have the MP3's, implying you have more than one. Why not save valuable HD space and delete all but one of them. You know you want to. :D
Nope... I'd rather delete Office or something... :D
I like Dido... :cool:

[Zayoos]

Nope... I'd rather delete Office or something... :D
I like Dido... :cool:
hehe, good choice :)
I like her too ;)

[miraculix9]

hey dude!

if you want to copy some protected cd's, why don't you use Exact audio copy from www.exactaudiocopy.de.

it is the BEST ripper "alive", and the only which can copy cd with protection.

try-it, it's freeware.

[Roj]

They're the worst thing music business ever thought. And do they even work, I mean if you really know you're doing? Maybe I'll just go throw my MP3 player in garbage :mad:I have *purchased* two copy protected CDs (Massive Attack's "100th Window" and Delerium's "Chimera"). I was so furious (the former installed a player on my machine without my consent) that I made it my mission in life to defeat it - it took me an hour to figure out (HINT: EAC won't do it if your *drive firmware* is designed to block such attempts). Once I had successfully done so, I uploaded the complete results to the 'Net in lossless, OGG and high bitrate MP3 formats.

Enough of this filth!

[Qaz]

Thanks for the tip to EAC. Didn't have any problems ripping a copy protected CD.

[Artie]

I'll bet I could take an old vinyl LP, record it to cassette, then take that cassette and record it through the line-in. Then take that and convert it to an mp3, and nobody could tell the difference. Nobody!

;) Artie

[rorythedog]

I'll bet I could take an old vinyl LP, record it to cassette, then take that cassette and record it through the line-in. Then take that and convert it to an mp3, and nobody could tell the difference. Nobody!

;) Artie


PANTS :confused:

[Roj]

I'll bet I could take an old vinyl LP, record it to cassette, then take that cassette and record it through the line-in. Then take that and convert it to an mp3, and nobody could tell the difference. Nobody!

;) Artie
I would.

Why?

Because I've done all of the above. ;)

[drewkeller]

I'll bet I could take an old vinyl LP, record it to cassette, then take that cassette and record it through the line-in. Then take that and convert it to an mp3, and nobody could tell the difference. Nobody! vinyl actually has a kinda nice sound to it. but cassette? AAACK!!! that would be the worst part.

somehow i got suckered into reading this thread again. [exits stage left]

[Artie]

I've got a few albums that are on both vinyl and CD.

Sometime this next week, I think I'll make a couple "comparison" mp3's
just for the fun of it. (Using the vinyl-to-cassette-to-mp3 thang.)

If nothing else, it'll be interesting to see just far into my mouth I've stuck my shoe. :silly:

I'll post both when done.

Artie

[Roj]

vinyl actually has a kinda nice sound to it. but cassette? AAACK!!! that would be the worst part.

somehow i got suckered into reading this thread again. [exits stage left]
Hey, no worse than high bitrate mp3 sounds today.

Seriously.

Some decks were pretty good too - I had (have) an Akai GX-F71 three-head deck that did quite well for its day.

[Roj]

I've got a few albums that are on both vinyl and CD.
I have many (stares lovingly at the remaining 3000 pieces of vinyl he still has). My first experments with vinyl transfer were done with my older Turtle Beach Santa Cruz (I haven't gotten around to doing this with my Revo yet). My friend Steph and I would typically put about 15-20 hours into transferring an album from vinyl to CD (the actual transfer was the easy part - judicious cleaning using CoolEdit 2000 and later GoldWave when CoolEdit's bugs became too annoying to ignore was the time consuming part). We would carefullly and surgically remove the pops and clicks using expanded display modes and headphones were occasionally the order of the day (he did the headphone aspect with his AKGs - I don't own a set of high-end cans). We only let the general anti-click software wash the music ONCE so as not to remove too much of the original sound before switching to "hunt and kill" mode for the pops and clicks. Of course a Deccabrush and Zerostat are standard equipment. :)