Development Build 116

[Paul]

I wanted a fast turn around for this build to address the issues raised in 115, so fixes were pretty much the focus.

This build does not contain further DB changes, so you should be able to update over 115 without any issues. Pre-115 users should do an uninstall first.

Cheers,
-Paul

[duckie]

Sounds most excellent!

Downloading now. Thanks.

[Willow of Oz]

Excellent. I kinda suspected that with the reasonably large changes in 115 that a 116 would come in short time with minor bugfixes etc, not new features.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Thank you thank you! The plugins work again!

[Todd The Kiwi]

dang, that was fast :biggrin:

[idefiXX]

That's exactly the right approach, bring out 2 or 3 more builds, concentrating on bugfixes and then release QMP 5.0

Thank you for this build.

EDIT : Nooooo, my whole ML is gone ! What happened ?

[Willow of Oz]

EDIT : Nooooo, my whole ML is gone ! What happened ?


It auto-deletes sucky songs? :grin::biggrin:
I deleted mine manually (bug testing).

[Yes_Its_Me]

It auto-deletes sucky songs? :grin::biggrin:
I deleted mine manually (bug testing).

excellent work Paul! that was darn quick.

[ltsnow]

I installed Build 116 over 114. Didn't use 115 because the equalizer wasn't working. When 116 was installed over 114 the equalizer worked fine. After reading Paul's post I thought I better do a clean install. When I took 114 off and just installed 116 the equalizer didn't work again. So naturally I went back to 116 over 114.

[Tokelil]

I installed Build 116 over 114. Didn't use 115 because the equalizer wasn't working. When 116 was installed over 114 the equalizer worked fine. After reading Paul's post I thought I better do a clean install. When I took 114 off and just installed 116 the equalizer didn't work again. So naturally I went back to 116 over 114.What EQ are you using? The Shibatch EQ DSP was removed and properly won't come back it the form it was in b114. (And since it was a DSP plug-in, it explains why you had it when you installed over b114)
If you really want to keep that EQ (it is known to cause a few problems and has a rather long delay) just keep the ShibatchEQ.dll (I think that is it's name) and copy that to your b116 installation.

You could try to use the EQ in the crossfading DirectSound output plug-in instead though, which is properly the best approach atm.

[B.E.L.B.H.D.]

Filename is no longer a default column in the media library. I always had to uncheck that one (along with MusicID Status). Maybe we need a poll. :silly:

[amer]

The PlugIn's work again...YEAH;)

[amer]

But the scrolling problem not fixed :disappoin .when i start qmp and click the play button qmp plays the song played last time when closed.but it doesn't scroll to the song.this wasn't a problem in previous (<114) builds:knocked-o

[Paul]

But the scrolling problem not fixed :disappoin .when i start qmp and click the play button qmp plays the song played last time when closed.but it doesn't scroll to the song.this wasn't a problem in previous (<114) builds
Can you create a bug report for this?

[lynott]

Scrobbling with the "old school" plug again :) Miss the options from the tray menu though

[Tokelil]

Found QCDDevNull.dll in output plug-ins. Is this on purpose?

[Paul]

Found QCDDevNull.dll in output plug-ins. Is this on purpose?
Yes. Just in case you need a plugin that doesnt play anything (like for line-in recording).

[B.E.L.B.H.D.]

Found QCDDevNull.dll in output plug-ins. Is this on purpose?

There was an playback plug-in listed during install named Empty playback plug-in (no sound).


I guess this is what you use when you want to sleep? :)

[B.E.L.B.H.D.]

Do others see average bitrates for vbr mp3s? I only seen an average, single bitrate value regardless of whether or not this option is checked or unchecked in the plug-in.

[ace2701]

Ok, loaded b116 in separate folder. Have both b115 and b116 able to run by my choice. B116 seems to work fine so far. Only question I have is when running the Speedo skin, if the volume is set too high, can the big speedometer needle wrap around the high end and break? :ermm::confused::laugh:

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Only question I have is when running the Speedo skin, if the volume is set too high, can the big speedometer needle wrap around the high end and break? :ermm::confused::laugh:

Try listening to drum and base, heavy metal or trance ;)

[ltsnow]

What EQ are you using? The Shibatch EQ DSP was removed and properly won't come back it the form it was in b114. (And since it was a DSP plug-in, it explains why you had it when you installed over b114)
If you really want to keep that EQ (it is known to cause a few problems and has a rather long delay) just keep the ShibatchEQ.dll (I think that is it's name) and copy that to your b116 installation.

You could try to use the EQ in the crossfading DirectSound output plug-in instead though, which is properly the best approach atm.

Thank you for this great response, Tokelil. I am using WaveOut because DirectSound (either one) will not work well for me--very thin low volume. I had a feeling that there was something like you described going on. Today I am going to try your suggestion because I do indeed have the Shibatch EQ DSP plug-in.

Since you know so much about this could you tell me why I don't get as good sound with DirectSound as I do with WaveOut? I'm running XP SP2 with current DirectX updates and a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 card.

[jawpr]

Thank you for this great response, Tokelil. I am using WaveOut because DirectSound (either one) will not work well for me--very thin low volume. I had a feeling that there was something like you described going on. Today I am going to try your suggestion because I do indeed have the Shibatch EQ DSP plug-in.

Since you know so much about this could you tell me why I don't get as good sound with DirectSound as I do with WaveOut? I'm running XP SP2 with current DirectX updates and a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 card.


I think you are talking about volume-wise. If you are, cut your volume up all the way on the player and go to preferance/plugins/playback and highlight the crossfading plugin and click configure. Put a check mark on "adjust volume on primary buffer(system wide). Then adjust your volume from your sound card control on your desktop as high as you want it.

[ltsnow]

Hey Tokelil, I did what you said and everything is fine. You were absolutely right. Thanks so much.

[Tokelil]

Since you know so much about this could you tell me why I don't get as good sound with DirectSound as I do with WaveOut? I'm running XP SP2 with current DirectX updates and a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 card.The problem with the DirectSound plug-ins is that (as you noticed) it has a bit lower sound volume, which by many people translates to lower perceived sound quality. The quality should be the same though, but you need to compensate with turning up the volume a bit when comparing Waveout vs. DirectSound.

The crossfader plug-in has some advantages like gapless playback though, that makes it worth it IMO.

[ltsnow]

I've tried what you both said and I do see that it is somewhat a volume problem. But I must confess it sounds better to me with WaveOut. DirectSound crossfading sounds somewhat garbled and like the sound is coming out of a tin can. Maybe I'm just imagining it. Thanks for all your help.

[DSV]

Hi!

Build 116 has same trouble as was with 115 - when I double clicking on any playlist file in explorer QMP only load it and don't start to play. If I check on setting: 'Loading & Explorer' -> 'Append files to playlist on 'Open' (play otherwise)' - QMP not only load playlist but begin to play it, too! Seems to me that (play otherwise) don't work as must - with unmarked 'Append files to playlist on 'Open' (play otherwise)' QMP don't want to 'play otherwise' :puzzled:. Build 114 works perfectly in this case.

[Paul]

Hi!

Build 116 has same trouble as was with 115 - when I double clicking on any playlist file in explorer QMP only load it and don't start to play. If I check on setting: 'Loading & Explorer' -> 'Append files to playlist on 'Open' (play otherwise)' - QMP not only load playlist but begin to play it, too! Seems to me that (play otherwise) don't work as must - with unmarked 'Append files to playlist on 'Open' (play otherwise)' QMP don't want to 'play otherwise' :puzzled:. Build 114 works perfectly in this case.
Please submit a report in the bugtracker.

[amer]

Can you create a bug report for this?

sorry but how to create a bug report.i go in bugTracker but there is no "submit a new bug" or somethin'. i don't know how to add:confused:

[Tokelil]

sorry but how to create a bug report.i go in bugTracker but there is no "submit a new bug" or somethin'. i don't know how to add:confused:When you go the bug tracker you have to select the QMP project and press go. When you do that, there will be a Submit bug button just above the bug list.

[biggman15]

well... I just got around to trying the new build... and Sadly it doesn't work... at all... Build 115 worked just fine... I turn 116 on and it just never responds... and I have to go into task Manager and kill it...

[The Big Cheese]

Do others see average bitrates for vbr mp3s? I only seen an average, single bitrate value regardless of whether or not this option is checked or unchecked in the plug-in.

Me too.

[Paul]

well... I just got around to trying the new build... and Sadly it doesn't work... at all... Build 115 worked just fine... I turn 116 on and it just never responds... and I have to go into task Manager and kill it...
This is a little surprising. Do you have non-default plug-ins installed? Did you try a clean install of 116?

[biggman15]

This is a little surprising. Do you have non-default plug-ins installed? Did you try a clean install of 116?
Hmm... Not sure about the plugins... but I will try a clean install... I never really thought about that....

edit:
ok... Tried a clean install with my plugins... same... removed all the plugins and it works again... :biggrin: hooray!!! but now i need to figure out what plugin it was...

[ltsnow]

Hey Tokelil, do you possibly know why it takes longer to add a folder to the 116 build then it did in 114? I don't use playlists, just add the folders. In 114 they add instantly, but in 116 they take a little while to sort out.

[Tokelil]

Hey Tokelil, do you possibly know why it takes longer to add a folder to the 116 build then it did in 114? I don't use playlists, just add the folders. In 114 they add instantly, but in 116 they take a little while to sort out.The only thing I can think of is that the setting for "Determine file lengths:" (Under settings -> System integration -> Loading & Explorer) has changed from "On Play" to "On Load".

[amer]

When you go the bug tracker you have to select the QMP project and press go. When you do that, there will be a Submit bug button just above the bug list.

thank you...

[PVTele]

Installed and working fine - no problems discovered so far - crossfade DS plug-in working a treat :biggrin:

Love it! Thanks Paul!!!

[Musafir_86]

Hello,

-Firstly, congratulations on this build (2 builds in 1 month); using b116 now.;)

-Hmm, it seems there are some issues with streaming media (in this case, SHOUTcast). When I play on demand (not live) SHOUTcast streams, the playback will stop before the end of file/stream (some last seconds skipped), especially on low bitrate ones (24kbps~).

-I tried to set "Internet Files & Streams" option in Preferences>Playback>Source Reading at the lowest buffer size possible (32KB), but the prob persist. Lastly, I manually made changes to BufferSize4 (under [MediaSource] in Plugins.ini) gradually from 16,8, and finally 4 (in KB) to get the desired results (still ~1/2 sec at the end skipped).

-From my experience, WinAmp 5.33 doesn't suffer this. Also, FYI I'm setting up local (Intranet) Radio-on-Demand using SHOUTcast v1.9.8 (URL format : http://192.168.x.x:8000/content/songname.pls) using MP3 at 48kbps CBR.


Regards,
-Musafir_86.

[Paul]

These last two builds use the new 'MediaSource' paradigm which has a few bugs to iron out, just takes a bit of time and use. Your reports help.

[acozz]

Whoever wrote the front page stuff hasn't learned the wonders of the apostrophe.

[Tomy]

I don't know if it's a bug but when I use "Enable font selection" ewery time I restart the player it's off again

[biggman15]

Hmm... Not sure about the plugins... but I will try a clean install... I never really thought about that....

edit:
ok... Tried a clean install with my plugins... same... removed all the plugins and it works again... :biggrin: hooray!!! but now i need to figure out what plugin it was...

Well, I finally got around to testing my plugins... Oddly enough it was AMIP... which is fine... I really don't use it anymore...

[Katt]

Great! Now my Last.fm and MSN-plugin work again! ^^

Btw, can't you like get m4a/mp4 support into next build or something? Quite many encode in m4a these days. :)

(And the mp4-plugin didn't work for me, just made noise).

[Todd The Kiwi]

I don't know if it's a bug but when I use "Enable font selection" ewery time I restart the player it's off againdoes the font you choose appear to be in use?

[jawpr]

I am using only default plugins and only have .wav, .mp3, and .ogg activated with the one I am using moved to the top in input plugins. I am not using the equalizer. When playing .mp3 files using using the .mp3 plugin for input and either the directsound (which causes a noice when changing tracts) or the .waveout plugin for playback, after a while, QMP will just hang a few seconds before the tract finishes. QMP just stops playing with no message of any kind. No certain tract or anything that I can tell. It will do this more often using the directsound playback but it does it with either one.


Edit - I do have seemless playback enabled.

[fluffmoln]

Some problems I've had so far with this build (with clean install on two computers, both experiencing the same bugs) are that the Icon Manager went missing after having restarted the computers and the average bitrate thing alreaady mentioned (it stays fixed on an average number). Also, as I mentioned in the bugtracker forum where someone already posted this, when adding artwork, the player crashes more often than not. Kind of really annoying.

Edit - the Icon Manager thing resolved itself after another clean install.

Edit 2 - Just happened upon another bug. When playing a song, and forcing QMP to look for and load newly installed plugins (in this case the Cover Art Vis plugin), playback stops. This due to all the playback plugins all of a sudden being unchecked. Is this new?

[Tomy]

does the font you choose appear to be in use?

There is no problem with the font. Only when I exit the player and next time I use the palyer the checkmark is not on the box anymore, and the font is default again.

[Todd The Kiwi]

There is no problem with the font. Only when I exit the player and next time I use the palyer the checkmark is not on the box anymore, and the font is default again.right, that's what i meant.
so this is a bug.

i get this too.

[eugeneh]

I cant' uninstall QMP 116. It says: "QCDML.dll caused an error on load. Plug-in will not be loaded".

[eugeneh]

I could uninstall it after I uninstalled QCD 4.51 first.

[Toe]

Thank you for this great response, Tokelil. I am using WaveOut because DirectSound (either one) will not work well for me--very thin low volume. I had a feeling that there was something like you described going on. Today I am going to try your suggestion because I do indeed have the Shibatch EQ DSP plug-in.

Since you know so much about this could you tell me why I don't get as good sound with DirectSound as I do with WaveOut? I'm running XP SP2 with current DirectX updates and a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 card.
The most common cause I've found is sound card drivers applying crappy DSPs to DirectSound streams. You might comb through your settings & see if any are enabled.

Well, I finally got around to testing my plugins... Oddly enough it was AMIP... which is fine... I really don't use it anymore...
Yeah, I've had problems with AMIP making QMP's startup time go through the roof since like b111.

[janipiipponen]

The most common cause I've found is sound card drivers applying crappy DSPs to DirectSound streams. You might comb through your settings & see if any are enabled.


Yeah, I've had problems with AMIP making QMP's startup time go through the roof since like b111.

Same here. If I remove AMIP from the plugins folder, everything works fine. Any replacements for AMIP?

[Toe]

Or an update for AMIP would work...

[zerolllone]

I really hope the final release will be ready for 2010. Most of us are getting old. Hehe. Not complaining though. Superb TAG EDITOR in this player. That's about it. Copy Winamp's CROSSFADING plugin. It's the best, period. I hope you don't put too much bells & whistles and screw up you beautiful creation. It's where the bugs come from. Sit still and play some music.

Don't respond to this. I don't give a crap about my opinion so why should you? If you feel a sting, scratch it.

[Giga Wizard]

I have now 827 mp3 in 1 directory. Gracenote shows number of unique files available for gracenote playlist 827. All audio tracks shows me only 726. Is this a bug or a limit of total files?

[janipiipponen]

The most common cause I've found is sound card drivers applying crappy DSPs to DirectSound streams. You might comb through your settings & see if any are enabled.


Yeah, I've had problems with AMIP making QMP's startup time go through the roof since like b111.


Same here. If I remove AMIP from the plugins folder, everything works fine. Any replacements for AMIP?

A new version of AMIP (v.2.60) is out. Installed and same thing is going on. QMP doesn't seem to respond for ~5 minutes and I had to kill manually QMPlayer.exe from task manager. QCD 4.xx works fine with all versions of AMIP, so the problem must be in QMP and 11x versions.

[Tokelil]

A new version of AMIP (v.2.60) is out. Installed and same thing is going on. QMP doesn't seem to respond for ~5 minutes and I had to kill manually QMPlayer.exe from task manager. QCD 4.xx works fine with all versions of AMIP, so the problem must be in QMP and 11x versions.Is AMIP the only non-default plug-in you are running?
Most other plug-ins run fine under b116, so AMIP must be doing something "wrong" on startup.

[Toe]

Actually, I did get an answer.
http://amip.tools-for.net/wiki/manual/faq#player_hangs_or_crashes_on_start_when_amip_is_ installed

After making that config file change, all is well. Which makes me wonder why it isn't set that way in the first place, or otherwise change the behavior so that it doesn't freeze the whole player waiting for a reply.

[janipiipponen]

Is AMIP the only non-default plug-in you are running?
Most other plug-ins run fine under b116, so AMIP must be doing something "wrong" on startup.

No it isn't the only one. But as I said earlier if I delete amip.dll (and other AMIP related files from the plugins -folder theres no 'start freezing'.

Same thing always... I've tried (a million times) to install and re-install QMP and always after installing AMIP starting takes for ages. No other plugin has the same effect.

EDiT:
I ran Process Monitor and discovered that if QCDAMIP.dll AND QCDML.dll are both enabled at the same time it causes these freezes. Maybe it has something to do with amip and QMP trying to access MediaLibrary.qdb at the same time?

Screenshot
http://www.menkaapois.net/gm/gallery.php?entry=images/1177005724.png

EDiT2:
Problem solved