what p2p does everone use ( if any)?

[Todd The Kiwi]

just interested to know what the rest of the world uses/abuses. . .

[-swt-]

eMule
SoulSeek

[Todd The Kiwi]

eMule
SoulSeek

shareaza uses emule www.shareaza.com

[DeltaGuy]

I used to use Kazaa Like K++, but then I saw the error of my ways...
I now do not use any filesharing clients...

[Todd The Kiwi]

I used to use Kazaa Like K++, but then I saw the error of my ways...
I now do not use any filesharing clients...

when you say "I saw the error of my ways..." you mean you thought it's morally wrong or that kazaa got busted now every kazaa user is fucked ?(pardon my swahili) as far as i'm aware shareaza is a "remote server based protocol" as in pretty hard to get busted especially if you opt to "not share any files" (as ya do) i essentially have no idea how p2p really works but my "computer guy" gave me permission to use shareaza so all is well down here, maybe have a look at www.shareaza.com if you change your mind ?

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I still have a copy of Kazaa lite ++ on my pc, and still works even though you cannot download it anymore. Only the buggered up, full of spyware/adware version is still available. I dont use emule/edonkey crap because my upload is limited to 1kbps and so my download is limited to 1kbps, i found out. With kazaa i can at least get up to 25 kbps. If i could use http proxy, then i'd get 100-125 kbps
:D

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

kbps = kiloBYTE per second, not bit just to be clear

maybe its kBps then

[Todd The Kiwi]

kbps = kiloBYTE per second, not bit just to be clear

maybe its kBps then

man are you sure about that i have opted to upload zero files altered my upload settings to as low as possible (8b/s) and i'm getting almost 56 k download not constant but often enough to mention . i'm referring to shareaza not kazaa

[Todd The Kiwi]

just noticed my typo * everybody

[Zayoos]

I use eMule/eDonkey. Sometimes Kazaa Lite K++.

[#The fREaK!]

I use eMule. My favorite server is "Razorback". I, too, have a copy of KaZaA Lite K++ on my comp, but hardly uses it.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

man are you sure about that i have opted to upload zero files altered my upload settings to as low as possible (8b/s) and i'm getting almost 56 k download not constant but often enough to mention . i'm referring to shareaza not kazaa

You are right, shareaza/kazaa whatever. These proggies dont limit your download speed and you dont have to share files. Emule/edonkey do limit your download speed, depending upon your upload speed and you must share files.

[Heigar]

I use to use Kazaa lite K++ ,but they have so many files that are trojans,viruses,or are miss labled.

Emule sucks crap ,because it takes almost all day to download a 5MB file.

So the choice for me is Shareaza all the way(when I use it which isn't very often)!

[JEdwardP]

Since I subscribed to eMusic in 2002, I rarely use filesharing anymore, but I keep copies of K Lite ++ and Win MX around, just in case. If/when the now-defunct K Lite ++ ever ceases to connect, I doubt I'll even go looking for anything to replace it.

[blackspawn]

I use Shareaza (edk network and G2) and piolet/blubster (mp2p network).

[DeltaGuy]

when you say "I saw the error of my ways..." you mean you thought it's morally wrong or that kazaa got busted now every kazaa user is fucked ?(pardon my swahili) as far as i'm aware shareaza is a "remote server based protocol" as in pretty hard to get busted especially if you opt to "not share any files" (as ya do) i essentially have no idea how p2p really works but my "computer guy" gave me permission to use shareaza so all is well down here, maybe have a look at www.shareaza.com (http://www.shareaza.com) if you change your mind ?
What I meant was that I was using it for some of its not so legal uses, so I stopped because my morality caught up with me...
And of course, there was the fact the program was illegal too...
I now purchase all my music from on CDs or from Puretracks (http://www.puretracks.com/) legally...
And for the record, Kazaa Lite hasn't stopped development. There is a new version out, 2.4, they just changed their name to CleanKMD...

[Young Twig]

Puretracks (http://www.puretracks.com/)
What the fat? Dumb racist canadians.. ;)


(I was kidding...)

[-swt-]

Emule sucks crap ,because it takes almost all day to download a 5MB file.

well... maybe you shoud connect to the right server !
and well... share files ?! dont limitate your UL-Speed...

downloaded "Total Annihilation - CD1 & CD2 english" in about 2 days... and each CD has about 600MB...
just 4 information : i downloaded it, cause i only have the original german-version... and you cant buy the english version any more :(

Razorback or S.E.D.G. are my prefered Server...


shareaza uses emule www.shareaza.com


well... and ?! i do use eMule, and i'm happy with it.
so why should i use/change to shareaza ?! *very.confused*

[Heigar]

well... maybe you shoud connect to the right server !
and well... share files ?! dont limitate your UL-Speed...
I've tried other servers,I do upload ,and I don't limit my UL-speed and it's still to slow,If I'm in no big hurry to download something then I use it,you can pretty much find anything with emule and filedonkey,but if I'm in a hurry for something then I prefer shareaza .

[Todd The Kiwi]

well... maybe you shoud connect to the right server !
and well... share files ?! dont limitate your UL-Speed...

well... and ?! i do use eMule, and i'm happy with it.
so why should i use/change to shareaza ?! *very.confused*

hi man i only pointed out that shareaza uses the emule protocol you can use whatever you want man , and i am connected to the "right server" 'raza uses all off them ed,ed2k.emule and more , not kazaa or it's derivatives though thankfully. also why do i want to share again ? it's illegal and slows my downloads . i haven't "limitated" my uploads i've stopped them altogether. . .

[Todd The Kiwi]

I've tried other servers,I do upload ,and I don't limit my UL-speed and it's still to slow,If I'm in no big hurry to download something then I use it,you can pretty much find anything with emule and filedonkey,but if I'm in a hurry for something then I prefer shareaza .

hi just wondering how fast your connection is 56 k dialup or dsl or proxy or other?

[Heigar]

I don't use any of them very often,If I hear a song I like ,I might download it ,listen to it a couple of times ,delete it and then go buy the cd.

I have a cable connection with 2meg transfer.

[Todd The Kiwi]

I don't use any of them very often,If I hear a song I like ,I might download it ,listen to it a couple of times ,delete it and then go buy the cd.

I have a cable connection with 2meg transfer.

you have 2 megabytes per second ?

[Heigar]

you have 2 megabytes per second ?Ya,according to my cable company.I don't really know the exact specs.

[Todd The Kiwi]

Ya,according to my cable company.I don't really know the exact specs.

that is fast man i struggle with 56 k per second , cable and the likes are expensive down here $300 for a decent router $400 to install the line $70 per month to telecom $27 per month to my isp kiwi money that is i think there's about 60 u.s cents to the kiwi dollar ?

[Heigar]

that is fast man i struggle with 56 k per second , cable and the likes are expensive down here $300 for a decent router $400 to install the line $70 per month to telecom $27 per month to my isp kiwi money that is i think there's about 60 u.s cents to the kiwi dollar ?
I pay $60 per month for cabletv and internet per month on one bill.

[Todd The Kiwi]

I pay $60 per month for cabletv and internet per month on one bill.

what a deal man ! is that u.s dollars?

[Heigar]

what a deal man ! is that u.s dollars?
That is a good deal,yes that's US dollars.

[Young Twig]

I pay $60 per month for cabletv and internet per month on one bill.
Wow. Cable internet here is $40/month and cable TV is 40/month... (Well, out cable plan is... I think there is a $20 plan, too.) So, after taxes and all, my family pays $90. I don't care about TV, though.

[DeltaGuy]

What the fat? Dumb racist canadians.. ;)
(I was kidding...)
Actually, it should be racist Americans...
Canadians aren't able to use iTunes, eMusic, MusicMatch, etc...
They are all US only services...

[ace2701]

hi just wondering how fast your connection is 56 k dialup or dsl or proxy or other?
I don't use any p2p program, because I've heard too many horror stories about tracking you down and spyware being installed.

Oh, by the way, I have a cable hookup with a 3 MEG download speed :p .

[Roj]

just interested to know what the rest of the world uses/abuses. . .
I don't use P2P. Apart form the decidedly spotty qiuality of the downloads (I'm being polite), the security risks are legion.

Usenet for me...

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I have full time ADSL connection and can download upto 1536 bits per second (that is 192 KB/sec) using HTTP proxy. If I disable proxy then i can download only with 128 bits per second (ie 16 KB/sec). And it seems no p2p supports HTTP proxy :( Anyway, I pay 30 euros per month. Not too bad i guess.

[Todd The Kiwi]

Mmmmm shareaza version two OPEN SOURCE is available now
(as of the first of june)
how cool is that (the version two bit not the open source bit)
why upload to people you don't know? (http://www.shareaza.com/) :skull:

[Tokelil]

why upload to people you don't know? Because you download from people you dont know?

[Todd The Kiwi]

Because you download from people you dont know?
ha ha ha classic , i'm still not going to upload though :nervous:

[Sheepeh]

Shareaza for me, great program!

Also the odd bit of USENET and IRC for the more obscure things.

[bmc152003]

ive been using this site www.espew.com instead of p2p for mp3s lately

try it its a great site

[Todd The Kiwi]

sheepeh > you can download music with/from irc, really? i didn't know that

bmc > i had a look at the site man , orange ? :confused:
ha ha ha it had some stuff i'd be keen on,i've bookmarked it for later...:skull:

[hedge]

sheepeh > you can download music with/from irc, really? i didn't know that
Theres alot of rooms on there dedicated to music, and/or the transfer of it. When you're in one, just request a song, and chances are someones got it.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Shareaza all the way!

[Willow of Oz]

I use overnet (/edonkey improved). That's pretty much it these days.
Started with morpheus. Then it fell over. Then I moved to Kazaa, then to klite. Quite liked that. As mentioned, K-lite is still going - however, from what I've seen / read, I thought it was up to version 2.6 / 2.8. After it got knocked off the websites by Sharman I recall looking it up via p2p, but wasn't game to download and run some .exe claiming to be a p2p program :-)

So, where does that leave me? Oh, there was some overlap of klite and overnet usage, but then overnet seemed good enough for me so stopped klite.
I find most of the music I get from it to be of a "not-so-spotty-quality" (many claim to be EACed and lamed), and if you are not restricting your upload speed, then it won't restrict your download speed, even if your upload is much less than your download. For the record, I'm on 1500/256 kbps. On a good day I'd have no trouble saturating that. And as for the sad, sad comments made about not sharing files for upload - sigh. Obviously the way p2p works needs some explaining. Tokelil, continue the evangelism!

I have tried piolet - hmmm, not impressed.
I have tried emule, the new morpheus and shareaza 2 - all ran like dogs. And that's being generous.

Oh, and the only real diff between edonkey and overnet is that overnet does not require that whole server setup biz. Which can be a pro or a con depending on how you view those things.

[Todd The Kiwi]

And as for the sad, sad comments made about not sharing files for upload - sigh. Obviously the way p2p works needs some explaining

it doesn't , if i get snapped uploading i'm history ,besides that i just don't see why i should upload. quote shareaza install wizard:"are you sure you don't want to upload any files?" um yes i'm sure
i have an ftp for uploading stuff to people who ask nicely...:skull:
but thanks to all the people who do upload , we like you guys ha ha ha

[Sheepeh]

That's why I like BitTorrent (Shareaza can handle BT as well) - non-uploaders are hard-coded to join the back of the queue, the client will favour the ones that give it stuff.

Great system.

[Roj]

it doesn't , if i get snapped uploading i'm history ,besides that i just don't see why i should upload. quote shareaza install wizard:"are you sure you don't want to upload any files?" um yes i'm sure
i have an ftp for uploading stuff to people who ask nicely...:skull:
but thanks to all the people who do upload , we like you guys ha ha haI don't share files a la p2p. I don't like leechers wasting my bandwidth. That being said, I do upload on occasion using my preferred method and the results are indeed widely and freely available (across the planet) to anyone who knows where to look. But it's on *my* schedule and it's a one-shot deal under *my* control - a single connection, not a plethora of voracious inhalers.

That's the way I like it. :)

Hint:

This method has been around almost as long as FTP - but it's not FTP. It predates file sharing by at least a decade. It does require a bit more than a simple "load and leech" mentality - some technical knowledge of the 'net is necessary. However, I can happily say that I've managed to pull down well over what most of you could ever conceive of in terms of raw volume over the several years that I've been using it. The quality of rips is consistently **CONSIDERABLY** higher as well - Xing, Blade, Real, pops, clicks, chirps, incomplete files et. al. are verboten and in fact such shoddy content will get you flamed out of existance (as well you should be for propagating such nonsense). Most things below 192bit have no place there now either. When folks from the file sharing world finally trip over us and discover that we're there, we usually have to break their bad habits in terms of most of the aforementioned traits before they can actually be useful to us. Sometimes it happens nice and sometimes nasty (they can be so foolishly stubborn :) ). I can honestly say that there isn't a thing from the p2p world that I would want - The Quality Control Is **FAR** Too Inconsistent.

Oh, and no silly-assed quotas, prioritization based on "contributions", requirements to "share" or any such rubbish - that's just plain tiresome.

Suffice it to say that for me file sharing networks are MUCH more trouble than they're worth.

[Tokelil]

Well if people want to download the music I share they must have good taste and I dont mind uploading to people with good taste! ;) (Most of my mainstream music isn't shaded though...)

[matty28carter]

i broke shareaza... don't add 15000 block list rules to it!!!

[loz_hurst]

I did use KasaaLiteK++ only. Having looked at others comments on this thread, I am now downloading Shareaza (and its going very slowly, oh for broadband (which is not available to me)).

One question I have is if you are peanalised for not sharing, what happens when you are a new user, and have no files to offer?

[Sheepeh]

You start going slowly, but as you gain parts of the file you share those parts, and the whole process will accelerate. The more you share, the faster you go! =)

[Roj]

One question I have is if you are peanalised for not sharing, what happens when you are a new user, and have no files to offer?Ahhhhhhhh - the sixty four million dollar question which apart from the broken and incomplete files, the poor rips, the substandard encodes using poor software (can anyone say MusicMatch? AudioCatalyst? Real Media? Windows Media Player?) and the network traffic conjestion rendered p2p a complete joke as far as I'm concerned... :) :) :)

Anyone notice that when people are downloading from you - of course you're uploading - your own downloads get MUCH slower? I'd rather just not go there.

I'd rather just go in, have a look at what's there and grab what I want Now (knowing that it likely won't be there tomorrow) with no strings or wasted "shared" bandwidth costs like the above scenario attached.

Oh, wait...

...that's what I'm doing now and have been since 1999...

[Toe]

i broke shareaza... don't add 15000 block list rules to it!!!
Hehehe, the heck are you trying to do, load the full PeerGuardian list into it? I use Sygate Personal Firewall and load the blocklist into that. :)

[Todd The Kiwi]

Anyone notice that when people are downloading from you - of course you're uploading - your own downloads get MUCH slower? I'd rather just not go there

me either man THAT is why i don't upload
that being said loz_hurst - i get 300 kbps downloads via shareaza
i'm not sharing and i am breaking no laws in my country
all people uploading > go ahead , thank you .
but don't berate me for not uploading i'll do whatever i friggin want ...:skull:

[matty28carter]

Hehehe, the heck are you trying to do, load the full PeerGuardian list into it? I use Sygate Personal Firewall and load the blocklist into that. :)

pritty much! ...got a bit bored thought it would be interesting... :cyclops:

[loz_hurst]

that being said loz_hurst - i get 300 kbps downloads via shareaza

On my 56k dial-up I'm lucky to get 3 or 4 kbps (or KBps or Kbps - I'm not sure!) And thats using a download manager with 4 symultanious connections.

[hedge]

On my 56k dial-up I'm lucky to get 3 or 4 kbps (or KBps or Kbps - I'm not sure!) And thats using a download manager with 4 symultanious connections.
Yeh i think Todd is talking in kilobits per second, because i don't think he has that fast a connection. (damn that would take nearly a 3mbit connection...)

[Roj]

(damn that would take nearly a 3mbit connection...)
I'm cruising at 5Mbit... :)

[Sheepeh]

Shareaza does default to showing kiloBITS instead of kiloBYTES - it's optional, but I prefer kilobytes, kilobits looks too optimistic =)

[Todd The Kiwi]

ha ha ha all i know is i can download a song faster than it takes to play it , all good :skull:

i have a 250 kilo byte per second wireless connection by the way

[hedge]

ha ha ha all i know is i can download a song faster than it takes to play it , all good :skull:

i have a 250 kilo byte per second wireless connection by the way
So you're saying you have 2mbit wireless? That must cost ya a bit... (hehe I wasn't even going for a cruddy pun there either :cheeky: )
And here i am getting all happy to just have gotten 256kbit adsl... Ah well certainly is better than dial up...

[Zayoos]

So you're saying you have 2mbit wireless? That must cost ya a bit...
No :) Todd has a 250 kilo bits (I think). I was talking with him about that one time...

[Todd The Kiwi]

zayoos > shhhhh man ha ha ha
my isp assures me it is 250 kilo bytes per second , they could be lying though...:skull:
i was going to post a link to their site but it's snuffed it at the moment , honest ...

[Inthewoods]

"Gimp pins"?

[Todd The Kiwi]

"Gimp pins"?
very small nails but they sound funny , seen pulp fiction ? :bandit: dodgy stuff zed
i just downloaded a 5 MB song in 2 mins it's 8 mins long...:skull:

[Sheepeh]

I get 1 megabit a sec, soon to be upgraded to 1.5 (free upgrade from NTL)

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

My connection has a variable bitrate hahaha :cheeky: One week its 2800 bits per sec and the other its dead. Actually, its been on for 3 weeks now without hassle. My ISP is doing a good job! clap clap clap :apple:

[J44xm]

On my university LAN connection, I can only access the Ares network, which is a nice but still growing network.

[Jost]

I'm connected using a Satellite Modem, and I average about 200kb/s but I've seen it over 300kb/s. Upload is near 10kb/s, but lag is terrible about 2 seconds. :( but better than a modem for the middle of no where.

[hedge]

I'm connected using a Satellite Modem, and I average about 200kb/s but I've seen it over 300kb/s. Upload is near 10kb/s, but lag is terrible about 2 seconds. :( but better than a modem for the middle of no where.
But isn't it stupidly expensive?

[Jost]

but when there's no other method for high speed internet, it's a great deal. Plus it can be shared throughout my network, where dial-up would be bogged down. Dial-up out in the sticks ain't so great either, you're lookin 32Kbs at best.

[Todd The Kiwi]

AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!

my friggin isp were 'lying' to me after all
i just double checked and it's 250 kilo BITS per second
what a rip man...:skull:
i can still download a song faster than it takes to play though , which is cool.

oh yeah IHUG now have wireless broadcasting from the sky tower
hell expensive for what you get i reckon.

[Toe]

i can still download a song faster than it takes to play though , which is cool.
As long as it's not a 320 or 256kbit song. :P

[Roj]

As long as it's not a 320 or 256kbit song. :P
At my current average of 550Mbit (bursting to 700Mbit) size hardly matters... :) :) :)

[DanTheManPR]

All the ISP's I've known always rate their speed by kbits, not kbytes. My cable modem for example, is a rated at 512kbits. That means 64kbytes per second (just divide by eight). Its plenty fast for my rampant downloads. I use p2p strictly for previewing means. It goes like this: I hear a cool song on the radio. I download as many songs from that artist that I can, and listen to that for awhile. If I like it, then I go out and buy CD's from that group [I can then replace all those low-quality mp3s that are on my Hard drive with high-quality ogg files :)]. If I don't like it, it gets deleted.


Legal and moral issues aside, I use Kazaa light ressurection (its the same as kazaa lite k++) as well as e-mule plus. I only ever use e-mule for stuff I can't find on kazaa.

[DanTheManPR]

Dial-up is painful, but workable

[Roj]

All the ISP's I've known always rate their speed by kbits, not kbytes. My cable modem for example, is a rated at 512kbits. That means 64kbytes per second (just divide by eight). Its plenty fast for my rampant downloads. I use p2p strictly for previewing means. It goes like this: I hear a cool song on the radio. I download as many songs from that artist that I can, and listen to that for awhile. If I like it, then I go out and buy CD's from that group [I can then replace all those low-quality mp3s that are on my Hard drive with high-quality ogg files :)]. If I don't like it, it gets deleted.


Legal and moral issues aside, I use Kazaa light ressurection (its the same as kazaa lite k++) as well as e-mule plus. I only ever use e-mule for stuff I can't find on kazaa.
"Legal and moral issues" indeed. While I was a club DJ, I saw prices for 12" product go from $3.99 to $25.99 in less than three years. As far as I'm concerned, that typifies the blatant avarice of the record companies and thus I'm entitled to rip off those greedy, thieving, scum sucking, bottom feeding music pimps for whom a snake's belly is twice the height of the former Twin Towers above them for the rest of my natural life and I'll *STILL* never break even.

I feel so much better after saying that. :)

Here's how it goes with me:

I download and listen. If I think it's worthwhile, I then look for it lossless online. If it's truly exceptional (on my terms - Thievery Corporation's "The Richest Man In Babylon" is an example as are the Naked Music mixes) I'll actually go out and buy it. There are exceptions:

I really wanted Mono's "Life In Mono". I tried to buy it. The local stores (several of them) put me on waiting lists varying from six weeks to three months. "Oh, we have to wait until we have enough orders for that distributor to make it worth our while".

I don't wait for anything I'm paying good money for.

Ever.

It's a long-standing policy of mine.

In addition, the minimum the buggers wanted was $25CDN for the pleasure, "the buggers" being CD Warehouse and those Penultimate Gods Of Ripoff Pricing, HMV (ya gotta be braindead to buy from those brigands). So what did I do about it? I flipped them the virtual bird, put a request in online and downloaded it lossless within two days. For thieves and a retail system that isn't interested in being customer oriented I have two words and let me tell you they ain't Happy Birthday". :) :) :)

[Roj]

Dial-up is painful, but workable
It sure is on both counts. For several years I had a second line coming into my house, its sole purpose being for my 24/7 dial-up internet connection downloading music. Dial-up was responsible for my first 200 CDs of mp3s. :) I've gone a bit further down the road since then... :)

[DanTheManPR]

It works if you queue up a bunch of songs and leave it to download for a few days. But it will never give you the instant satisfaction that broadband provides.

And, Like you said:

"I don't wait for anything I'm paying good money for."

And I don't want to wait for internet :)

But those 50 bucks a month sure hurt :P

[Roj]

It works if you queue up a bunch of songs and leave it to download for a few days. But it will never give you the instant satisfaction that broadband provides.

And, Like you said:

"I don't wait for anything I'm paying good money for."

And I don't want to wait for internet :)

But those 50 bucks a month sure hurt :P
$45 a month and I get 5Mbit speeds.

I'm a happy boy. :)

[matty28carter]

$45 a month and I get 5Mbit speeds.

I'm a happy boy. :)

I'm an envious boy!!! :cross-eye

[Tokelil]

Shareaza has been updated (19/09-04) to version 2.1.0. A lot of changes/improvements. Download it here:
http://www.shareaza.com/?id=download

[Roj]

Shareaza has been updated (19/09-04) to version 2.1.0. A lot of changes/improvements. Download it here:
http://www.shareaza.com/?id=download
Yeah - now it doesn't beat routers into submission. :)

[Hanzo]

I started out with the good'ol Napster. Then it went dead and I continued with Imesh, got tired of the spyware present on it and got Kazaa, which was even worse. A search on google gave me some light and found K-Lite K++ which I still keep. I used kind of a mix, I was getting software and music, but I found that K-Lite K++ was not that great for me as far as music refers, so I got AudioGalaxy. Anyone remembers AG ? A rough 60% of all my music collection came out of AG, yeah those were the days. Most of the MP3's I got are 192kbps.

Now I use BitTorrent, K-Lite K++ and Mirc for panamanian local music that are nowhere to be found on any filesharing network. Now that I've heard so many positive comments about Shereazaa (or whatever it is spelled) I'll take a look at it once I can get connected to the internet at home. (been 5 weeks and still counting - no comments please)

[Todd The Kiwi]

hmm it does look prettier with a few more skins bundled with it
but to me it seems a bit 'harder' to use
i really miss the ctrl+a thing that's been missing for about 4 builds
not that i'm complaining about free music ;)
and i have to say i'm impressed at how often the dude updates too

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

and i have to say i'm impressed at how often the dude updates too

It's not just one dude, but the whole world Todd ;) To clarify, shareaza has been Open-Source for quite a bit now. So any improvements made by individuals gets checked and verified and incorporated into the next release. That's why on the main page it says that in version 2.1.0.0 more than 200 fixes and improvements were included.

Shareaza; p2p, open-source, fast downloads, i cant wish for more! :)

[billy]

soulseek is good. use kazaa lite sometimes.

[tupence]

Started with Napster, then went onto AudioGalaxy, but they both went the same way. Now I find Ares is the best followed by Limewire. Not too forget Suprnova of course. I've never tried Shareaza, would you believe, so I'm off to their website now........

[Todd The Kiwi]

Now I find Ares is the best followed by Limewire.
I've never tried Shareaza, would you believe
yeah limewire is the only other p2p aside from 'raza that i'll use
even if they can't spell GUI ha ha ha
regarding 'raza - you CAN opt not to upload
although edonkey2000 won't 'let' me use it if i don't
which is no biggie,i don't upload anything to anyone via p2p only ftp :nervous:

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Started with Napster, then went onto AudioGalaxy, but they both went the same way. Now I find Ares is the best followed by Limewire. Not too forget Suprnova of course. I've never tried Shareaza, would you believe, so I'm off to their website now........

Besides shareaza, i also use bittorrent, namely from the suprnova website. p2p clients are always connect to as many servers as possible and i dont have unlimited bandwidth. Although i know i can limit this, i do want the max download speed obtainable. With bittorrent the number of servers it connects to is limited to the file im downloading leaving me with more bandwidth to play around with. For linux i recently discovered another p2p client called KMLDonkey which uses the MLDonkey core and connects to edonkey, limewire, G2, G1, soulseek and bittorrent.

[Toe]

I'd warn ya to be careful with Suprnova. Let's just say my ISP got a certain letter.... ;)

Besides shareaza, i also use bittorrent
Erm, you mean Shareaza's BT support, right?

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I'd warn ya to be careful with Suprnova. Let's just say my ISP got a certain letter.... ;)


Erm, you mean Shareaza's BT support, right?

Ups, i forgot to mention the programme that i use for bittorrent. It's called bittornado. Sorry about that.

Why did your isp get a letter? The only thing i do is go there do search and download the *.torrent file. :puzzled:

[matty28carter]

I started out with napster in about 1999 stopped using it in 2001 when it was brutally murdered :( . Went a bit quiet after that. Started using AudioGalaxy that was good, i didn't get on with it very well though. Tried winMX deleted it shortly after... Got Grokster in 2002, also got about 3billion bits of spyware and if turned my startbar pink. Great. Then i found KazaaLite K++ used that ever since. I've tried sharaza but I'm too impatient i think, it took ages to actually download anything - thats if it did download anything! I think i may have set it up wrong. I've also used Supanova for a few tunes too. :) I must admit that now all these law suits goin around i have really slowed on using P2P, i also use that peerguardian thing whenever i'm on p2p (the one thats built into kazaa K++) and update its blocklist with bluetacks blocklist manager. That block list ends up about 3MB! :globe: Ah well...

[Toe]

Ups, i forgot to mention the programme that i use for bittorrent. It's called bittornado. Sorry about that.
Hrm. I use Bittornado when I want to seed a new torrent, and Shareaza for downloading torrents.

Why did your isp get a letter? The only thing i do is go there do search and download the *.torrent file. :puzzled:
User A downloads torrent from Suprnova. User is also uploading the same torrent at the same time, as this is how BitTorrent works. Company B visits Suprnova looking for people illegally distributing their product. Company finds torrent for their product on Suprnova. Company downloads said torrent, and quickly finds the IP addresses of everyone downloading/uploading on this torrent, including User A's. Offending IP addy in hand, Company B sends a notification of evilness to User A's ISP, Company C. Company C cuts off User A's internet access.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Offending IP addy in hand, Company B sends a notification of evilness to User A's ISP, Company C. Company C cuts off User A's internet access.

Im not sure it works that way in the Netherlands. As far as i know, my ISP is not responsible for what i download. Nor is it going to tell company X who i am from the given IP address. All to do with privacy and user rights. As a side note, how likely is it that this happens to an individual anyway? There are thousands of torrents out there with hundreds of seeders. And how much is company X going to be bothered to stop something they cant stop anyways? There used to be so much going on with Kazaa. But, hell, it's alive and kicking more so than ever before! I can only say this; you gotta be very extremely unlucky if you get screwed by a company. :grimreape

[jkrzok]

Im not sure it works that way in the Netherlands. As far as i know, my ISP is not responsible for what i download. Nor is it going to tell company X who i am from the given IP address. All to do with privacy and user rights. As a side note, how likely is it that this happens to an individual anyway? There are thousands of torrents out there with hundreds of seeders. And how much is company X going to be bothered to stop something they cant stop anyways? There used to be so much going on with Kazaa. But, hell, it's alive and kicking more so than ever before! I can only say this; you gotta be very extremely unlucky if you get screwed by a company. :grimreape

In the US isp's can be compelled to provide a user's personal information. The RIAA is making good money with it's lawsuits against downloaders. The cases just don't go to court; the inequality between big record company lawyers and a typical downloader is too great for there to ever be a fair fight. So an RIAA lawyer can pick up $10,000-15,000 for his overfed clients with just a few letters in a suit settled out of court. There's just no reason for them to stop. Any negative public reaction has already come and gone.

[Todd The Kiwi]

this is the reason why i NEVER upload via p2p.
shareazas bit torrent 'capabilities' are somewhat lacking down here
if i download a torrent my cpu hits 100% and stays there indefinitely.
so i don't bother with them now.
also as far as i'm aware it's only illegal to share files
therefore downloading and not uploading can't be illegal,as i'm not sharing.
(there appears to be an exeption to this rule if i gleaned anything from toes prior post regarding torrent files)

[rorythedog]

Further to this, for the last three days I've been using Soulseek with my brand new 1.1MB BB connection and I must say I'm impressed. I like the concept of it. Previously i've tried WinMX (good but complicated), Limewire (good interface but not so great selection), Kazaa (too many duff files) and Shareza (pants).

I'll be sticking with Soulseek for the forseeable future I think.

[madjo]

this is the reason why i NEVER upload via p2p.
shareazas bit torrent 'capabilities' are somewhat lacking down here
if i download a torrent my cpu hits 100% and stays there indefinitely.
so i don't bother with them now.
also as far as i'm aware it's only illegal to share files
therefore downloading and not uploading can't be illegal,as i'm not sharing.
(there appears to be an exeption to this rule if i gleaned anything from toes prior post regarding torrent files)
Well, that's the point of the lawsuits, because if everyone thought like this, there'd be no p2p networks... no shares, so there's nothing to download.

btw, downloading content you don't already own on regular media (cd, paper, video, dvd or whatever) is just as illegal, it's only impossible to prove for the RIAAs and the MPAAs of the world.

[Todd The Kiwi]

i live in new zealand mate, not america
they can't do shit to me unless i'm sharing
also it must be proven that i don't own the media

i'd like to know how they would do that without a search warrant
which they can't acquire without reasonable belief/cause
which they can't get without violating the privacy act... ;)

[madjo]

BTW Todd, do you use bittorrent? :) basically you can't download a torrent, without uploading it too. :nervous:

you live in NZ and I live in NL, RIAA can't take me, but BREIN (the Dutch version of those pr*cks) is looking for ways to do the same thing, although they have a hard time with the privacy laws here :cheeky:

[J44xm]

I used to feel a bit bad for the RIAA, but now, seeing as how insane they truly are, I say screw 'em.

[Todd The Kiwi]

madjo - nah man i don't use them,they fry my pc,cpu hits 100% and stays there :cross-eye
pity,some things just aren't available in any other form... :puzzled:

[madjo]

madjo - nah man i don't use them,they fry my pc,cpu hits 100% and stays there :cross-eye
pity,some things just aren't available in any other form... :puzzled:
weeeeeeeeeeeeell there are other clients ;)
azureus (http://azureus.sf.net) is one of them, and my personal favorite :) (only you need to have an up to date JRE installed)

[bernt]

Audiogalaxy > WinMX > DC++

http://dcplusplus.sourceforge.net

[Lich]

I've tried WinMX, Kazaa Lite K++ and Shareaza. Must say what Shareaza shown best results for me.
But... best p2p system is (are) traders;)

[carbonize]

Shareaza is the biggest pile of shite it has ever been my misfortune to use. I personally use the Bit Torrent protocol for my major file downloading. I have tried most BT clients and have settled on G3 Torrent (http://g3torrent.sourceforge.net). My initial go at BT was after downloading Shareaza to try it. The file got to 97% in a few hours and remained there for 3 days. Shareaza seems reluctant to connect to anyone but shareaza users. I then switched to a different client and got the entire file in about 2 hours. I also use Emule (http://www.emule-project.org) for smaller files such as MP3's or for files I cannot locate a torrent for.

madjo have you ever seen the amount of memory Azuerus uses? G3 Torrent and ABC seem the best torrent clients when it comes to low overheads.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Shareaza seems reluctant to connect to anyone but shareaza users.

It wont if you have your upload limited to 1KB/s or less (or disabled).

[carbonize]

I always share with my upload set at 16k/s. Shareaza is just an eDonkey and Bit torrent client and isn't as good at either protocol as a dedicated client.

[madjo]

my experience with 'raza is that you only get good speed with Limewire or Shareaza connections, because connections on the ed2k network won't even reach more than 1KB/s downspeed, while at the same time, my upload rate gets maxed out by the same people on the ed2k network.
Now I know that quite a few clients on said network, use some sort of whitelist, where, if you upload a lot, you can get things faster, but a ratio of 1:15 (d:u) is ridiculous in my opinion, and I have recently ditched shareaza in favour of emule... (for ed2k)

btw, I get really pissed of, if I set the upload limit at about 5KB/s and still people can leech from me, with a speed over the 10KB/s... it seemed as if shareaza just ignores your settings.

[Roj]

my experience with 'raza is that you only get good speed with Limewire or Shareaza connections, because connections on the ed2k network won't even reach more than 1KB/s downspeed, while at the same time, my upload rate gets maxed out by the same people on the ed2k network.
Now I know that quite a few clients on said network, use some sort of whitelist, where, if you upload a lot, you can get things faster, but a ratio of 1:15 (d:u) is ridiculous in my opinion, and I have recently ditched shareaza in favour of emule... (for ed2k)

btw, I get really pissed of, if I set the upload limit at about 5KB/s and still people can leech from me, with a speed over the 10KB/s... it seemed as if shareaza just ignores your settings.As we speak I'm pulling down a 800Mb file with Shareaza from ED2K at 35KB/s. I've seen it as high as 140KB/s. My upload speed is set to 100KB/s, strictly enforced which ends up meaning that I get maybe five concurrent connections, the aggregate of which never seem to exceed 20KB/s. I'm also on a 5Mb cable link which is easily three times the speed of regular DSL.

[Todd The Kiwi]

ROJ - i thought you didn't allow peer to peer on your network ?
100 KBps upload? that's totally farking insane i have 10 KBps upload via msn/ftp ha ha ha
i get about 25 - 35 KBps download in 'raza
(although it will peak to over 100 sometimes which freaks me right out man)
i have gnutella 1 & 2 enabled only and my upload is set to .1KBps and i've removed all upload folders
it's illegal to share files via p2p, hence me not sharing ;)
i don't want THAT letter :ponder:

[carbonize]

I'd still recommend people to use Emule for the ED2K network. Specially now it has the Kad protocol working. I agree with madjo about shareaza tending to ignore your settings.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Dont you need to share a certain amount of data (say 30GB) before you can connect to a certain hub? Like in eDonkey? Or is eDonkey a totally different thing? Anyhow, this is a stupid rule IMO.

[carbonize]

Not something I've noticed as I always share, it's what keeps the community alive. I was once warned for sharing to much lol

[Roj]

ROJ - i thought you didn't allow peer to peer on your network ?I didn't. Then I became aware of how much pr0n was available...

NOT! :) :) :)

In reality, there are however a few things that did attract me such as availablility in APE format of the Supperclub series (I curse the infidel who uploaded a fragged rar file of Supperclub 1 - may he / she rest in Hell!). I'm the only one who uses Shareaza to keep the network relatively uncluttered. Two of the kids use Bittorrent via Azureus.

100 KBps upload? that's totally farking insane i have 10 KBps upload via msn/ftp ha ha ha
i get about 25 - 35 KBps download in 'raza
(although it will peak to over 100 sometimes which freaks me right out man)
i have gnutella 1 & 2 enabled only and my upload is set to .1KBps and i've removed all upload foldersI use ED2K, Gnutella 2 and Bittorrent. ED2K forces folder sharing whether you like it or not and most of the stuff I like is there so...

However, that folder gets cleared regularly - there is seldom anything in it. In short, I leech.

it's illegal to share files via p2p, hence me not sharing ;)Maybe in your country - it's legal here. There was a case here earlier this year and the local flavor of the RIAA *lost*. As to why my upload speed is so high, I found that when I bump up my sharing speed, my download speed improves (that's ED2K for you). I only run Shareaza to get stuff - once I've got what I want, I'm offline. Unfortunately that quite often takes several weeks... :(

[carbonize]

try something other than Shareaza then. Since you like the Edonkey network try Emule. Everyone raves about Azureus and yes it is a fully featured Bit torrent client but it also uses a large amount of memory. It was using 60 megs here and I was only downloading a single file. People don't seem to realise how much memory Azereus uses because it's actually Java that uses it.

[Roj]

try something other than Shareaza then. Since you like the Edonkey network try Emule. Everyone raves about Azureus and yes it is a fully featured Bit torrent client but it also uses a large amount of memory. It was using 60 megs here and I was only downloading a single file. People don't seem to realise how much memory Azereus uses because it's actually Java that uses it.
I liked Shareaza because it's open source and the chances of spyware being included in it are slim and forget it. If you can suggest a Bittorrent client that's sanitized and safe then please do. :)

I'll check out eMule.

[Tokelil]

Personally I use ABC for torrents which is okay IMO. Shareaza was pants for torrents last I used it and used losts of resources.

ABC is open source and is build on top of other open source software which is always a plus.

http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/

[madjo]

indeed azureus uses an insane amount of memory... well more accurately, it is javaw that uses the most amount of mem, but I like the way I can set the max up and download, and the overall performance..
my brother uses ABC and sometimes that one hammers down the network.
btw, he also uses the spyware ridden Overnet client, which basically does the same (hammering down), and he uses both clients at the same time, so you can guess my internet speed at times ;) a sleeping snail is faster sometimes

And then he accuses me of setting the upload speed to high, because his internet connection is slow. (I have the azureus upspeed set to 30kb/s (20% of the total network speed, we have to share our single connection with three people in total, that is also why I want Shareaza to obey my set maximum speed, which it only rarely does for me))

[carbonize]

I use G3 Torrent (http://g3torrent.sourceforge.net) which is also open source as most Bit Torrent Clients are. Emule is also open source.

[Tokelil]

About hammering torrent clients, try using the original torrent client! :devil: (As far as I know Blizzards world of warcraft download program is directly based on it and thats the one I have experience with... People are getting crazy slow downloads because of their upload is drained all the time)

Anyway, has quit counting on the build in limiters. (the new version soon to be released of ABC should have some fixes for those problems though)
Netlimiter is keeping track of this for me now. :)

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I've checked out eMule. I must say it has improved considerably since i last used it like 3 years ago. It even connects to another p2p network ive never heard of. It's called Kas. I think im going to stick with eMule for a while, and get rid of DC++. Soulseek is pretty good too. Shareaza, i dont use that anymore. That programme doesnt respect my upload limit, even when i turn upload off or share no files shareaza keeps saturating my upload bandwidth (which is virtually nothing, damn ISP).

[carbonize]

The new network you refer to is Kadmium. It is actually a network the makers of Emule created as competition to Overnet as they felt overnet was lacking.

[duckie]

The new network you refer to is Kadmium. It is actually a network the makers of Emule created as competition to Overnet as they felt overnet was lacking.

Actually, "Kad", which is actually the shortened name of the algorithm used for the new network (Kademlia).

<edit>I believe that it will eventually have a new name.</edit>

[carbonize]

Yeah so I spelt it wrong :paranoid: sue me. Always known it as Kad and the word kadmium came to mind.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Oh yeah it is Kad :cyclops: Not Kas, lol. I'm making full use of it already :p

[biggman15]

I use LimeWire.... I know the free version has Adware... But several months ago I had the idea search limewire for the word limewire... and well No more adds....

[acushla]

I use LimeWire.... I know the free version has Adware... But several months ago I had the idea search limewire for the word limewire... and well No more adds....

A great little program...offers so much more than WinMX...but like you say...had Adware... is all adware bad?...so stopped using it.

The other day I noticed that they now advertise the fact that they have no adware, malware etc etc...which just leaves me wondering what's NOT on that list.? (hahaha)

[acushla]

Yeah so I spelt it wrong :paranoid: sue me. Always known it as Kad and the word kadmium came to mind.

You'll be receiving our lawyer's letter in the morning. If you would be so kind as to give us your address...

[max77]

Personnaly I use Ares lite (http://aresgalaxy.org/) :heart:

Also I use the bittorent client Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/)

[madjo]

for bittorrent, I still prefer Azureus. :) (though on our 24hour computer we have ABC... and I despise that program)...

for other types of P2P I've come to enjoy KCeasy (http://kceasy.com/), especially after installing the Fasttrack (kazaa network), and Ares plugins, though the first plugin is a bit hard to find for some obvious reasons. :)

[o2xygen]

for bittorrent, I still prefer Azureus. :) (though on our 24hour computer we have ABC... and I despise that program)...

for other types of P2P I've come to enjoy KCeasy (http://kceasy.com/), especially after installing the Fasttrack (kazaa network), and Ares plugins, though the first plugin is a bit hard to find for some obvious reasons. :)
Azureus is really a pain if you have it installed on a slow machine...

[madjo]

Azureus is really a pain if you have it installed on a slow machine...
it's a java program, what did you expect? ;)

[zapatta]

Well long time ago I tried Kazaa - three days and numerous infections later I was able to finally declare my machine virus free .. dumped Kza :nervous:

WinMX held sway with me for a while - then eDonkey - but Razorback still takes the day for simpicity and 'completely virus-free' downloads ... I must admit I am a creature of habit though [loves his mum, softball and QCD 4.51]

:biggrin: in the end MP's are a matter of personal preference ... just thought I would add my 2 cents worth ... :)

[acushla]

Well long time ago I tried Kazaa - three days and numerous infections later I was able to finally declare my machine virus free .. dumped Kza :nervous:

WinMX held sway with me for a while - then eDonkey - but Razorback still takes the day for simpicity and 'completely virus-free' downloads ... I must admit I am a creature of habit though [loves his mum, softball and QCD 4.51]

:biggrin: in the end MP's are a matter of personal preference ... just thought I would add my 2 cents worth ... :)

He's such a good boy!

I like WinMX and was recently shown how to open it up to other Networks.

I have not heard of Razorback, and being a lover of simplicity (with an 'l') I will do some research.

Virus free also works for me...another reason I like WINmx.

Thanks.

[thor]

Hi everybody.
IMHO if between you here are any Audiophile, then you can't left aside Soulseek without give it a try. Is the biggest comunity and the best place to share complete albums. If anyone of you go around there, you could find me as thorbita. Let's share!

[rorythedog]

Hi everybody.
IMHO if between you here are any Audiophile, then you can't left aside Soulseek without give it a try. Is the biggest comunity and the best place to share complete albums. If anyone of you go around there, you could find me as thorbita. Let's share!

I'm already "there" mate. Every damn nite. LOL.

[thor]

Hi everybody.
IMHO if between you here are any Audiophile, then you can't left aside Soulseek without give it a try. Is the biggest comunity and the best place to share complete albums. If anyone of you go around there, you could find me as thorbita. Let's share!

I wanted to say "you can find me as thorbita3" wich is my real nic into Soulseek.

:silly:

[madjo]

I used to use Soulseek, but I had some bad experiences with it, though no virusses or anything.
I wanted to download some tunes, and found some good versions. I started downloading them. and at some point that person went offline, never to be seen again. :ermm: and that happened quite a few times, now that is very annoying.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I love the Kad network of emule. It has everything i want :) I dont use edonkey network.

[thor]

I used to use Soulseek, but I had some bad experiences with it, though no virusses or anything.
I wanted to download some tunes, and found some good versions. I started downloading them. and at some point that person went offline, never to be seen again. :ermm: and that happened quite a few times, now that is very annoying.
Well, you have an excellent chat channel as a resource to contact that user, but yes... sometimes someguys don't be there all the time.
The very high quality points that Soulseek have earned (always IMHO) are about the very Audiophile community. Is the best resource to improve your Jazz, or Electronic, or Acid Jazz collections for example. But you can bet that you will find anything you want inther. Of course you'll need be armed with a little patience or with a little good luck.
The other high point in SLSK is that the must of the shares are Album-oriented, and you can select very specifically the quality of your downloads.
And last but not least, you really don't need to have any kind of fear about security. I have almost four years experience in there.
Most than 3000 ALBUMS and never just one virus or security accident in the same time. Neither spyware.

[thor]

Sorry about my extremely bad english. I guess i wanted to say "album-pointed shares"
:nervous:

[Sworkhard]

just interested to know what the rest of the world uses/abuses. . .

limewire :grin:

[Sworkhard]

I use LimeWire.... I know the free version has Adware... But several months ago I had the idea search limewire for the word limewire... and well No more adds....

I've been using limewire for years and have never had it give me ads or spyware. It is as advertised; spyware free. That does not garantee that some program you downloaded with it does not have spyware in it but limewire itself does not and I hope never will. It may conflict with another program you have which does have spy/adware when it accesses the internet causing that program to popup ads (gator or similar).

[Toe]

Question: does anyone know any good resources for lossless encodes (besides usenet)? For that matter, a place with a good number of Vorbis encodes would be nice to know.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Question: does anyone know any good resources for lossless encodes (besides usenet)? For that matter, a place with a good number of Vorbis encodes would be nice to know.

From the Kad network you can download music albums in rar which usually includes lossless or EAC MPC. Im not too familiar with it all. There are always plenty of sources too and you'll just about find anything.

[Todd The Kiwi]

security accidentthis made me laugh HARD mate, nice one ;)

[Toe]

From the Kad network you can download music albums in rar which usually includes lossless or EAC MPC.
Ew, MPC? Yes, the quality is good, but frankly it's a dead-end format.

[acushla]

I used to use Soulseek, but I had some bad experiences with it, though no virusses or anything.
I wanted to download some tunes, and found some good versions. I started downloading them. and at some point that person went offline, never to be seen again. :ermm: and that happened quite a few times, now that is very annoying.

How exactly is this different from any other p2p network? I have experiences like that with WinMX.

[madjo]

How exactly is this different from any other p2p network? I have experiences like that with WinMX.with other p2p networks, you don't download a track of just one user, but of a few...
Slsk only lets you download from 1 user, it has no hash-checks to see if there are other sources for that file...
So if that user goes offline, basically you're screwed. :) Unless, you have more downloads for the same song, from different users.

[acushla]

with other p2p networks, you don't download a track of just one user, but of a few...
Slsk only lets you download from 1 user, it has no hash-checks to see if there are other sources for that file...
So if that user goes offline, basically you're screwed. :) Unless, you have more downloads for the same song, from different users.

I suppose...but I can tell you I have a slew of incomplete files on my WinMX page. Whether one or 10 go offline and then come back and fill the quota of uploads before you get to it...essentially amounts to the same thing...you don't get the complete download.

I just downloaded Soulseek as it sounds as if it has a lot of potential. I am having trouble (who would have guessed?) configuring it for OPERA...I have actually sent an email asking if there are any known issures before I waste too much time on it. Funny thing is...I am receiving downloads...but apparently no one can upload from me. I take very seriously the p2p concept and feel if I'm going to take then it is only fair to give. (Unlike somebody I've read about in this forum!)

Soulseek seems to encourage a 'friends' network where people of similar tastes can chat with each other. It seems to me as if this would eliminate to a great extent people going off line before you are finished...as you could arrange times when you would be able to download whatever in its entirety.

WinMX also have a feature where you can 'chat' but except for some isolated instances...really is not effective.

One interesting aspect I noticed right away with Soulseek is how many files are in lossless format...which for myself is great news. I did not however find that the majority of downloads were complete albums...something I had looked forward to.

[Qaz]

I am having trouble (who would have guessed?) configuring it for OPERA...
Err, what exactly are you trying to achieve with this "configuring"?

As ofr you not being able to upload anything, have you done the port test in the settings?

[acushla]

Err, what exactly are you trying to achieve with this "configuring"?

As ofr you not being able to upload anything, have you done the port test in the settings?

Yes...I did do the port test...and it failed. They provide you with a site which explains how your computer works in order to send and receive data and then walks you through the process...including a page where all common routers are listed along with their IP address.

It is when I reach the point of opening up my browser and entering the IP address into the address bar where things go wrong.