Strange ogg vorbis tags writing

[seagull]

Hi!

There is an annoying strangeness when we write ogg vorbis tags in editor.
Admit that I have my_file.ogg with TITLE, ARTIST, ALBUM, DATE, TRACKNUMBER, GENRE
tags written. I'd like to add COMPOSER tag (only it and nothing more). I go
to editor, fill the COMPOSER field, click commit. Everything is done.
But when I run ogginfo to check the tags I see that QCD also
wrote ALL OTHER tags:

/* here is the output of ogginfo */
User comments section follows...
TITLE=Way To Mandalay
ARTIST=Blackmore's Night
ALBUM=Ghost Of A Rose
DATE=2003
TRACKNUMBER=01
GENRE=Folk/Rock
COMMENT=
COMPOSER=Black
CONDUCTOR=
ORCHESTRA=
YEARCOMPOSED=
ORGANIZATION=
ORIGARTIST=
COPYRIGHT=
ENCODER=
UIDOWNER=http://www.cddb.com/id3/taginfo1.html
UIDDATA=

/* end of output */

As you can see QCD added a lot of unnecessary tags with empty values. I DID NOT ASK QCD to do it.
This unexpected behaviour really annoys.

It would be great if editor writes ONLY what we want and nothing more.
Hope to see such behaviour in next versions :)

[krazyd]

... and a way to view/edit/create all custom tags in the formats which support it. :)

[seagull]

Yes!
The way to write MY_TAG_NAME=MY_TAG_VALUE
With possibility to insert new line character into MY_TAG_VALUE
(For example, it is important when we write LYRICS tag)

[krazyd]

Yes!
The way to write MY_TAG_NAME=MY_TAG_VALUE
With possibility to insert new line character into MY_TAG_VALUE
(For example, it is important when we write LYRICS tag)
Is there a standardised way to do this?

[Hanzo]

As I have mentioned in the Features Request forum, it is in my best interest to have a lyrics tab to write in manually the lyrics info in the proper tag, because there are some other plugins that do it automatically.

[seagull]

> because there are some other plugins that do it automatically.

Do what?
Precisely which plugins?

[seagull]

> Is there a standardised way to do this?

Yes it is. Vorbis API (when you use standart vorbis libs) gives you the
way to do it.

[Hanzo]

> because there are some other plugins that do it automatically.

Do what?
Precisely which plugins?
The Evillyrics plugin searches and diplays lyrics in QCD. It was discussed on the old forum.

http://www.evillabs.sk/evillyrics/ (http://www.evillabs.sk/evillyrics/)

The forum is: http://www.quinnware.com/forums/messages/1/6917.html?1066137716

[seagull]

> The Evillyrics plugin searches and diplays lyrics in QCD. It was discussed on the old forum.

Ok. I got what you were about :)

But. I DO NOT like evillyrics and all stuff like it.
It does not work correctly with my locale (ru) and do not do what I want.

All I want is to display LYRICS tag written in *.ogg files (of course written in utf8). To display it in QCD interal browser. There are NO plugins which can do it. So I have to write it myself.

To use Evillyrics or something you have to have Internet connection. I do not have it at home. And I still want to see LYRICS. So the solution is to write LYRICS into music files and display them in InfoBrowser window (for instance:) )

[Hanzo]

> The Evillyrics plugin searches and diplays lyrics in QCD. It was discussed on the old forum.

Ok. I got what you were about :)

But. I DO NOT like evillyrics and all stuff like it.
It does not work correctly with my locale (ru) and do not do what I want.

All I want is to display LYRICS tag written in *.ogg files (of course written in utf8). To display it in QCD interal browser. There are NO plugins which can do it. So I have to write it myself.

To use Evillyrics or something you have to have Internet connection. I do not have it at home. And I still want to see LYRICS. So the solution is to write LYRICS into music files and display them in InfoBrowser window (for instance:) )
That is exactly what I want. I don't like automation on that level. I want to have control over what I type (or paste) on the lyrics I will read, only that I would use it on MP3, but I don't think that would matter much on the coding side.

[seagull]

> That is exactly what I want.
> I don't like automation on that level.

Yea! I am not alone :)))

> I want to have control over what I type (or paste) on the lyrics I will read,

Yes! Me too.

> only that I would use it on MP3, but I don't think that would matter much on the coding side.

You are right. There's no difference. Only in what libs to use: libvorbis or id3v2 (or together for support ogg and mp3 :) )
By the way, why you would want to use mp3 instead of ogg? Ogg is more progressive format... It's much more better in streaming (time synchronization), it has better tags, better quality when *.ogg and *.mp3 has the same size, also it does not rotate phase (mp3 does it) ...
Personally I started to use ogg instead of mp3 when learned its features and differences. I regrabed all my music collection to ogg vorbis. Now I'm almost happy :) To full happiness I need some plugins... :)
LYRICS is one of them...

[Hanzo]

The single reason I don't use OGG is because it lacks support from hardware vendors. I can't hear OGG files on my car stereo or in my Discman with MP3 playback (that is why is called MP3 playback)

Is only a matter of convenience for now. It would take some time to re-encode my collection into OGG and then to hear it on my stereo or portable I would have to re-encode again into MP3, something I won't do for now; mainly because like many have said, would lead to quality loss.

I think OGG is cool and I'm positive vendors will adopt it soon on their gear. But in my opinion it is taking more time than WMA which is already supported in some players.

I want that Lyrics support embedded into QCD's track editor not thru a plugin, but I guess that is a plugin too.

[MrZebra]

also it does not rotate phase (mp3 does it) ...

By Rotate Phase are you talking about what would cause the rear speakers on a Pro-Logic system to distort? I tried a song I know has lots of rear activity. Played the CD, then played OGGs and MP3s at varuous bitrates and stuck my ear next to the rear speakers to check for distortions.

Oggs, At 192kbps and up (q6+) it doesn't, but below that it does but far less than MP3s at the same bitrate.

MP3s, even at 320kbps are still a little distorted in the rears.

[Hanzo]

From my little knowledge I know that Dolby Pro-Logic scheme is the following, but I studied this a long time ago so I might have some things crossed.

The rear channel is made from the positive signal from the main channel, bringing only the sound in one phase (the positive). The main channel is simple stereo. The center channel is made from the remaining phase (the negative) of the rear channel.

It is very clever, because if you analyze it a little bit you realize that what you hear in the rear channels is a little part of the main track and in the center channel what you hear is the dialog, which would be the remainder.

The whole Pro-Logic thing in every receiver / amplifier that I have heard
(My dad used to be a high end audio salesman here in Panama so I have heard many from Marantz to Yamaha and many many other brands) makes an audible click when you engage the Pro-Logic "processing".

So what you basically have is some sort of electro mechanical device or circuit flipping the signals back and forth to produce the surround effect. Vendors then add some sort of reverberation to the channels to produce a variety of effects based on this simple "logic".

I'm not saying it is bad or anything, it was the state of the art back a few years ago, also it is how I learned it, might be wrong.

[Paul]

Seagull, I fixed up the issue with empty vorbis comment fields. Thanks for the report.

[Paul]

Fixed in 4.11.