CD Rippers?

[michmart]

I think it would be great if QCD had a CD ripping plugin so I dont have to load a CD to listen to whats on it.

[Toe]

QCD's built-in CDDA plugin + your choice of encoder or diskwriter plugin + optionally the null output plugin (search for it) would probably work as a CD ripper, but frankly you're better off with a dedicated CD ripper like EAC.

[michmart]

right, got all that, and thnx

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

frankly you're better off with a dedicated CD ripper like EAC.

Is it freeware?

[matty28carter]

Is it freeware?
yep, www.exactaudiocopy.de (i think)

[Toe]

Is it freeware?
From their front page (as matty linked):

"The cost of registration is low (just a postcard and a stamp)"

:)

[teedoff087]

EAC is also the slowest. ;)

[acozz]

EAC is also the slowest. ;)

Yeah it is. LAME is especially slow, I have to set the priority to highest on it every track because otherwise it takes like 6 hours a song.

With QCD's mp3 encoder, each track takes under 30 seconds, but it doesn't work reliably for me.

[Toe]

6 hours a song?!?!?! Good lord, what CPU do you have? For ripping with EAC, it REALLY helps if your drive doesn't cache audio data. My DVD drive can rip at like 6x in EAC secure mode. :D

[arw2004]

:evolved: ;) I would recommend using Nero Cd burner and Cd ripper software for Windows 98 SE, Windows 2000, or Windows XP. Also, this program requires that you must have an Intel Pentium CPU otherwise it will not work. Last, I know that this program costs money, but you would get better results if you spend $100 dollars or more. ;) :bulb: :bulb:

[Spidercrab]

I have used EAC and find it does all I want although many find it difficult to setup and use. However, for those who want a less secure ripper AudioGrabber became Freeware today.

[hedge]

Nero Cd burner and Cd ripper software...Also, this program requires that you must have an Intel Pentium CPU otherwise it will not work.
ummm yeah athlon 2700+, been running nero for yonks... maybe its something to do with ya 98se hehehe

[Hanzo]

ummm yeah athlon 2700+, been running nero for yonks... maybe its something to do with ya 98se hehehe
Just remember it needs Win98SE. Otherwise it won't work...:ermm:
Also it must be an INTEL CPU prolly a 386 would do it on Win98SE.

Just kidding...

[Protocol]

I have been a fan of Audiograbber for some time, but am looking for an alternative CD ripper that also supports encoding with LAME.
Does anyone have any suggestions.


PS: Sorry for the necro, but why start a new thread? :beer:

[Toe]

Well, there's always QMP.... :P

Otherwise, EAC or Cdex (my feelings haven't changed much over the last few years...)

[Protocol]

Well, there's always QMP.... :P

Otherwise, EAC or Cdex (my feelings haven't changed much over the last few years...)
I have used EAC before and do not like it. I will give CDex a try.

[Todd The Kiwi]

i rip all my shit with qmp man, have done for ages [years now, crikey]

[Protocol]

i rip all my shit with qmp man, have done for ages [years now, crikey]
I guess it must be working OK now or you wouldn't be using it. I have never had a glitch with Audiograbber, but was looking for something still being developed. Actually, a lot of the standalone CD rippers/encoders seem to have stopped development.

[Todd The Kiwi]

I guess it must be working OK now or you wouldn't be using it. I have never had a glitch with Audiograbber, but was looking for something still being developed. Actually, a lot of the standalone CD rippers/encoders seem to have stopped development.windows has built in cd ripping mp3 encoding etc, command line stuff though, meh.

[WHAT?]

windows has built in cd ripping mp3 encoding etc, command line stuff though, meh.
How does THAT work? I mean one track at a time? Allowing for tags? Conversion? etc.

[Todd The Kiwi]

How does THAT work? I mean one track at a time? Allowing for tags? Conversion? etc.i've never used it :rolleyes:
i just tripped over that 'tidbit' whilst googling something entirely different one day, heh.

[Protocol]

I found this (http://www.avsmedia.com/AudioTools/grabber.aspx) the other day. But I haven't tried it.

[Tropics]

30$ when CDex costs nothing? why should i do that?

[Protocol]

I might give Easy CD-DA Extractor (http://www.poikosoft.com/) a try.

[Neo]

I have been using the QMP ripping for years. I use the best lame encoder plugin for mp3's and the default for ripping to wav. I have never had an issue or a bad rip using QMP. I know it's first purpose is not ripping CD's but it works and works quite well, why install another program when QMP does it? I'm sure there is another reason... is there something bad about using QMP to rip? :ermm:

[amer]

I have been using the QMP ripping for years. I use the best lame encoder plugin for mp3's and the default for ripping to wav. I have never had an issue or a bad rip using QMP. I know it's first purpose is not ripping CD's but it works and works quite well, why install another program when QMP does it? I'm sure there is another reason... is there something bad about using QMP to rip? :ermm:
i'm using qmp for ripping too.no problems...i agree with you- why install a new program when qmp does the job!

[BALTY]

i'm using qmp for ripping too.no problems...

Yes, me too and prefer it. Except for those very long titles it gives, that I find myself renaming all the time:ponder:

[amer]

Yes, me too and prefer it. Except for those very long titles it gives, that I find myself renaming all the time:ponder:
yes those renamings kill me but then when I rename it's everything in order there's no mess (which I hate)

[idefiXX]

I might give Easy CD-DA Extractor (http://www.poikosoft.com/) a try.
Do it. The best program out there for ripping. If anyone wants the Professional version - PM me...;)

[biggman15]

i'm using qmp for ripping too.no problems...i agree with you- why install a new program when qmp does the job!
I haven't ripped a CD since QCD... But that was Great software... Did a fine job...

[Protocol]

I might give Easy CD-DA Extractor (http://www.poikosoft.com/) a try.

Do it. The best program out there for ripping. If anyone wants the Professional version - PM me...;)
I think I will. :normal:

[Protocol]

I have been experimenting with QMP Rip & Encode for the first time in a long while, but can only get it to encode MP3s in VBR.
How do you get it to encode in CBR?

[Todd The Kiwi]

there used to be a tick box "use bitrate" or "use quality" something like that.

[Protocol]

there used to be a tick box "use bitrate" or "use quality" something like that.
It doesn't make any difference which one I select. It still encodes in VBR.

[Todd The Kiwi]

It doesn't make any difference which one I select. It still encodes in VBR.what version of qmp are you using? what version of lame are you using?
i have to install this now and look for myself :P

[Todd The Kiwi]

ok tick the tickbox [circled] this restricts the bitrate.

[Protocol]

ok tick the tickbox [circled] this restricts the bitrate.
Oh. Now that is a bit obscure. Does it work? :scared:

[acushla]

I have been experimenting with QMP Rip & Encode for the first time in a long while, but can only get it to encode MP3s in VBR.
How do you get it to encode in CBR?I have found EAC to be a very good 'ripper' with all the options you'll need.

I have an earlier version which manages to sail past any imbedded copyright control.

[Todd The Kiwi]

Oh. Now that is a bit obscure. Does it work?it surely does mate, try it out.

[Protocol]

I might give Easy CD-DA Extractor (http://www.poikosoft.com/) a try.

Do it. The best program out there for ripping. If anyone wants the Professional version - PM me...;)
So how do you do a straight Audio CD copy? :confused:

It doesn't appear that it can be done. I thought that this was supposed to be a great app.

[idefiXX]

It IS a great program.

Well you cannot do a straight copy, but you can rip the CD into .wav files which should be very fast and then burn them with the same program.

You know, a ripping program is supposed to rip, not to burn...be thankful that CD-DA Extractor even gives you the ability to burn from hardly any audio-file !

[Protocol]

It IS a great program.

Well you cannot do a straight copy, but you can rip the CD into .wav files which should be very fast and then burn them with the same program.

You know, a ripping program is supposed to rip, not to burn...be thankful that CD-DA Extractor even gives you the ability to burn from hardly any audio-file !
I just needed someone to confirm that I wasn't missing something. I find it difficult to believe that this feature is not there.

Thanks for the confirmation. :)

[Protocol]

I am going to rip some albums to FLAC.

Does anyone have any ripper preferences for ripping to FLAC?

I heard that dBpoweramp was pretty good. :ponder:

[Todd The Kiwi]

why not just use the flac frontend?

[Protocol]

why not just use the flac frontend?
I didn't know there was one. Link? :ponder:

[Protocol]

Got it.
Thanks badbite26.

So what is the best level to use, and as a lossless format, does it matter much?

[Todd The Kiwi]

love them secret squirrel pms aye :silly:

what kind of audio gear are you using there prote?

[Toe]

I just use the default level, myself. It's just a tradeoff between speed and file size. You don't gain a whole lot from higher levels, though.

[Protocol]

I just use the default level, myself. It's just a tradeoff between speed and file size. You don't gain a whole lot from higher levels, though.
And what is the default level? What ripper do you use or suggest?

I have never bothered ripping to FLAC before (or maybe once), so it is all new to me.

[Toe]

I've used EAC for years, never saw much reason to switch.

There's several guides to setting up EAC+FLAC (and several other rippers) linked from this page:

http://flac.sourceforge.net/documentation_tasks.html

[Todd The Kiwi]

they pretty much 'recommend' EAC.
still wondering why not just use the flac frontend.
what audio gear do you have protocol?
are you going to notice ultra mega high quality settings.

[Toe]

still wondering why not just use the flac frontend.
To answer that question, I'd first have to figure out what flac frontend you're talking about... :ponder:

[Todd The Kiwi]

http://members.home.nl/w.speek/flac.htm

oh and just for the record, you suck at google :p


addendum: i'm sure this frontend was just THE frontend when i used it last.

[badbite26]

Pepsky Free Audio Converter is a free program that can convert audio files across a wide range of formats, burn audio CDs playable with any CD player, burn audio-file CDs in many formats, and rip CD’s into MP3 or other formats.

will convert from and to any of the following formats; MP3, WAV, WMA, AAC, AIF, VOC, FLAC, M4A, OGG, AU, FLV, and APE.

It's free:

http://www.pepsky.com/english/products/free-audio-converter/

I'm just starting to play with this, so I have nothing to say about it.

[Toe]

Todd, I've probably got 4 or 5 programs on my compy that could be described as a 'flac frontend'. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that the one you linked can rip CDs, which Protocol is looking for.

[Todd The Kiwi]

toe - i have no idea, i was recording vinyl at the time.
when i used it though that was "flac" as in it was the main program not just and addon frontend.

how about APE (http://www.monkeysaudio.com/) i just remembered i went with that in the end not flac.

ok fine this is a good reason not to i supposeLatest Version:

4.01b2 (February 17, 2006)and no vista support...?

flac it is then.

[Protocol]

Todd.
In answer to your question.
No I don't have anything flash in regards to speakers. But I still want to experiment with FLAC.

I don't see the real point in using Flac Frontend, as you still still need a ripper to extract the tracks from the CD. By the way. I just downloaded the FLAC Installer for Windows codec at the FLAC download site and found that FLAC Frontend comes with it.

[Toe]

Todd: FLAC is also open source (unlike APE), and has much more hardware support.

[Todd The Kiwi]

...By the way. I just downloaded the FLAC Installer for Windows codec at the FLAC download site and found that FLAC Frontend comes with it.aha! that explains it then =)

man i haven't heard or seen anything ape related forever.
flac on the other hand is all over the place.

ummm can't qmp/qcd be a front end for it?

[Toe]

QMP + CD input + CLI encoder plugin + flac.exe = flac ripper, if you so choose. I prefer something a little more robust in the way of error handling, though.

[Protocol]

I guess robust is what I am looking for.

I don't think it has to be anything real special though. People go on and on about error correction etc., but how many CDs require that? :ponder:

I have used Audiograbber with LAME for years, and have never noticed a problem. Just my lame thoughts on the matter. :rolleyes:

[Toe]

If you're satisfied with Audiograbber, then why not just use it with the FLAC encoder?

how many CDs require that?
You could always check your rips against the AccurateRip (http://www.accuraterip.com/) database. Hope your ripper supports offset correction, though. :)

[Protocol]

OK. After all the chatter, I used EAC. :rolleyes:

But I am sure there are other fine rippers that can do as good a job. :chinese:

Easy CD-DA Extractor and dBpowerAMP Music Converter gets mentioned quite a bit. :paranoid:

[Protocol]

I forgot to say.

Thanks guys.

I appreciate your input. :beer: :cool:

All good stuff...

[badbite26]

i've been playing with this the past few hours and think it will do what you want. It's free.


http://www.pepsky.com/english/produc...dio-converter/

[Protocol]

i've been playing with this the past few hours and think it will do what you want. It's free.


http://www.pepsky.com/english/produc...dio-converter/

badtite26, your link seems to be broken, but if is Pepsky Video Converter (http://www.pepsky.com/english/products/video-converter/), then I have looked at it, and it does look good.

But I have not tried it yet. Is it giving you good results? Does it use LAME for MP3s?

[Protocol]

I noticed after ripping to FLAC that all the tracks have different bitrates. Is this normal?

I used the default EAC FLAC command line (-6****).
Does anyone have more command line info?


Here (http://www.teqnilogik.com/tutorials/eac.shtml) is quite a good EAC guide that I wandered across.

[Toe]

It's perfectly normal for different tracks to have different compression ratios. Different data compresses to different levels. If you encoded an audio clip of pure white noise, there would be almost no compression at all (ie the file size would be about the same as you started with).

[Protocol]

It's perfectly normal for different tracks to have different compression ratios. Different data compresses to different levels. If you encoded an audio clip of pure white noise, there would be almost no compression at all (ie the file size would be about the same as you started with).
So does different compression ratios = different bitrates.

[Toe]

Of course. Bitrate is just amount of data per unit of time, like kilobits per second or megabytes per minute. You can figure out the approximate bitrate of a file by dividing its size by its length in time. (Remember your units, like if you know the file size in kilobytes, multiply it by 8 to get kilobits. Likewise, you'll probably want the time measurement in seconds rather than minutes + seconds.)

If a higher level of compression is attained, there's going to be less data, and thus a smaller file and lower overall bitrate.

Of course, it's all getting converted back to uncompressed data at play time, normally at the same bitrate as CD audio. You've heard of 44.1kHz/16bit with regard to CD audio before, right? That means that the audio is sampled 44,100 times per second, and the size of each sample is 16 bits. So uncompressed CD audio is 44,100 samples per second × 16 bits per sample × 2 channels (stereo) = 1,411,200 bps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bits_per_second) = 1,411.2 kbit/s.

[Protocol]

If a higher level of compression is attained, there's going to be less data, and thus a smaller file and lower overall bitrate.

Interesting stuff mate.
I guess a higher compression would be beneficial.

Do you have any links to some FLAC command lines?

[Todd The Kiwi]

awesome toe =)

surely nobody pays for this software when free stuff is available?

pepsky and poiko [wtf?] are payware...

[Todd The Kiwi]

how about http://www.wavpack.com/ and our plugin (http://www.quinnware.com/list_plugins.php?plugin=43)?
i'm trying to find out if it encodes right now...


addendum: does or doesn't encode?
"32bit windows" includes vista 32bit?

[badbite26]

badtite26, your link seems to be broken, but if is Pepsky Video Converter (http://www.pepsky.com/english/products/video-converter/), then I have looked at it, and it does look good.

But I have not tried it yet. Is it giving you good results? Does it use LAME for MP3s?

It gave me satisfying results. I thought it was easy to use. Yes, it does use LAME for MP3's.

awesome toe =)

surely nobody pays for this software when free stuff is available?

pepsky and poiko [wtf?] are payware...

Pepsky is free. At least the version I posted to was for a free version. I am the king of broken links.

[Protocol]

I found these command lines for EAC and FLAC.
I found the following command line options, but they don't have ReplayGain.


Slowest encoding times, highest compression:
-8 -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" %s

Faster encoding times, normal compression:
-4 -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" %s

Fastest encoding times, lowest compression:
-0 -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" %s

I have also had a look at AutoFLAC (http://www.legroom.net/software/autoflac) that works with EAC, but I haven't used it.

Is ReplayGain a desirable option when ripping to FLAC?

[hedge]

I found these command lines for EAC and FLAC.
I found the following command line options, but they don't have ReplayGain.


I have also had a look at AutoFLAC (http://www.legroom.net/software/autoflac) that works with EAC, but I haven't used it.

Is ReplayGain a desirable option when ripping to FLAC?
From hydrogenaudio wiki:
FLAC / METAFLAC

* Format: FLAC
* Method: Meta (in Vorbis comment)
* http://flac.sf.net

FLAC just adds in the replaygain tag fields. You'll still need an audio player that supports replaygain. Just saves you the step of scanning the files later on.

[Protocol]

FLAC just adds in the replaygain tag fields. You'll still need an audio player that supports replaygain. Just saves you the step of scanning the files later on.
I don't think I will bother with ReplayGain. EAC doesn't add it by default either.

Another thing that I have noticed is the compression level (0 - 8).

The higher the number, the higher the compression. I have ripped on level 6 and level 8. I have noticed so far that with level 8, I generally end up with bigger files sizes which is not what is supposed to happen. Although I have seen this mentioned on other forums.

[Toe]

Like I said, I'd just leave the compression level at default.

[Todd The Kiwi]

no wavpack then?
it's supported by some of your favourite players...

[Protocol]

no wavpack then?
it's supported by some of your favourite players...

I haven't gotten around to messing with WavPack or Monkey's Audio yet.
Hey, what about BonkEnc (http://www.bonkenc.org/) for a free ripper? :paranoid: :normal:

[hedge]

I haven't gotten around to messing with WavPack or Monkey's Audio yet.
Hey, what about BonkEnc (http://www.bonkenc.org/) for a free ripper? :paranoid: :normal:

I thought monkey's was a largely dead format?

[Todd The Kiwi]

I thought monkey's was a largely dead format?quote me @ post 56 (http://www.quinnware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=103271&postcount=56)

[Toe]

The differences between lossless codecs are not large. One might give a little better compression ratio, one might be a little faster, but when it comes down to it they're all about the same. And of course, by definition they all sound the same.

For me, FLAC wins for two reasons. One, it's open source. All else being roughly equal, I'll always go with the open source choice. And two, it's pretty much the most widely supported lossless codec. The only decent reason I can see to use something else is if you're an Apple kiddie, and thus have little choice but to use their lossless codec. Of course, I am most certainly not an Apple kiddie. ;)

[Todd The Kiwi]

mmmm apple kiddies :rolleyes:

[hedge]

mmmm apple kiddies :rolleyes:

Yeah i know a couple, its like trying to tell someone the sun doesn't shine. OSX seems to have that effect, or maybe its just the design of the damn things? God knows :P

[Todd The Kiwi]

y'know, i've never actually seen an apple computer [and known it] in real life ha ha

only on tv and in the movies... :ninja:

[Protocol]

Does anyone know the best way to rip an album with hidden tracks?
You know how they think they are so smart by adding a heap of space at the end of the last dedicated track, then after about 5 minutes of nothing playing, the so called hidden track plays.

Well, this is no good for ripping.

The best app that I have found is Audiograbber. It easily lets you specify the start and finish time of a track before you rip it.

But even though I find it still rips perfectly, it hasn't been updated for a awhile, and doesn't support FLAC. :cry:

[Tokelil]

You can do this pretty easily with CDex and the "Extract section" function.

[Protocol]

You can do this pretty easily with CDex and the "Extract section" function.
Thanks mate. I guess that is what you are using???

[Tokelil]

Thanks mate. I guess that is what you are using???Yes I haven't used anything but CDex for more years than I can remember. Simple and can use the newest MP3 and Ogg encoders. (And I assume FLAC, though I don't think I have tested that)

[Protocol]

I just discovered FairStars CD Ripper (http://www.fairstars.com/cdripper/).

FairStars CD Ripper is a free powerful software for ripping audio CD tracks to WMA, MP3, OGG, VQF, FLAC, APE and WAV formats files on-the-fly. Free CDDB is supported (Querying & Submiting). It supports normalization when ripping, and also support ID3 tag. FairStars CD Ripper also supports playback with its built-in player.Has anyone tried it?

http://www.fairstars.com/screenshots/cdripper/screenshots.gif

[Todd The Kiwi]

years ago, before it looked awesome... :paranoid:

[Protocol]

years ago, before it looked awesome... :paranoid:
And? :ponder:

[Todd The Kiwi]

And?dude man, we're talking 6+ years ago. i have nfi what it was like ha ha

[Protocol]

dude man, we're talking 6+ years ago. i have nfi what it was like ha ha
Man, you are really showing your age now. :o

[Todd The Kiwi]

i'm 29 :biggrin:

ok so i do remember using WMP/poiksoft easy cdda to rip
then someone suggested fairstairs and i think eac?
it was about then i tripped over QCD and well, the rest is history.
basically i remember nothing pre QCD... :cheeky:

[Protocol]

ok so i do remember using WMP/poiksoft easy cdda to rip
then someone suggested fairstairs and i think eac?
it was about then i tripped over QCD and well, the rest is history.
basically i remember nothing pre QCD... :cheeky:
Yeah, Easy CD-DA Extractor is very popular.

[Protocol]

I have noticed for the last couple of months that FreeDB doesn't find any albums with EAC regardless of what server I select.

I have been to the forum, and there is a large sticky thread about it, but I was unable to find an answer that worked.

Does anyone know of a solution?

I haven't changed any firewall settings. In fact, I am only using Windows Firewall.
I tried updating my server list, and lost all of them.

Any suggestions?

[Protocol]

Has anyone had much experience chopping a few minutes of silence off an mp3 or wma? :rolleyes:

[Todd The Kiwi]

mp3directcut or audacity for the mp3