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Inthewoods

03-11-2006, 11:17 PM

Now I'm interested in this 'Not a patriot' which idefixx has under his Avatar.

I'm listening.I personally think the way you question people's personal statements is not very polite. If you're curious, just ask that person in IM or something, along with whether they mind a public discussion or not.

I just don't think it's appropriate for anyone else to discuss.

Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it.:calm:

rorythedog

03-11-2006, 11:46 PM

I personally think the way you question people's personal statements is not very polite. If you're curious, just ask that person in IM or something, along with whether they mind a public discussion or not.

I just don't think it's appropriate for anyone else to discuss.

Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it.:calm:

I'm with Woods. Why not pm him about it? Do we really need to analyze every damn thing?

acushla

03-12-2006, 03:15 AM

Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it.:calm:
I see your point in this...and in fact did consider to send a PM while I was posting.

I suppose I simply decided that if one was willing to put it out there under their Avatar then it was there for all to see and perhaps others might have been curious as well.

Not that you suggested this but I would like to be clear...there was absolutely no 'judgement' implied...how can one judge what one doesn't know?

I personally believe that the saying 'My country right or wrong' is very misguided...and I felt perhaps this is what idefixx was alluding (agreeing) to...but I didn't know.

Not 100% convinced I was wrong to post...but I certainly understand your point.

Willow of Oz

03-12-2006, 06:41 AM

"Not a patriot" is an interesting statement, however.
And I'd certainly see a difference between saying you are patriotic, vs a "fierce patriot".
I mean, I'd say I'm patriotic in the Hurrah, Go Austrialia! kinda way, but it's certainly not My Country Right Or Wrong. If we've got a 1950s galah ruling the country, sure, I'll cry myself to sleep and pretend I live somewhere like Krynn, but barring that I'm proud to mark myself an Aussie when overseas, or a Victorian when interstate (hello Ms Busdriver from Adelaide :ponder:)

idefiXX

03-13-2006, 02:28 PM

Wohoo, I just missed this thread...
I'm listening.
As you might know I am German. Read this (http://www.quinnware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54422&postcount=7) post.

And I think it's your right to ask that - but a PM would have done it.

WHAT?

03-13-2006, 02:55 PM

Didn't the Steelers beat out the Patriots this year?

http://images.nfl.com/images/2005/seahawks_steelers14.jpg

I'm rooting for the Browns this year!!!
Go Browns!!!
http://www.cleveland.com/images/browns/masthead.gif

acushla

03-13-2006, 06:34 PM

Wohoo, I just missed this thread...

As you might know I am German. Read this (http://www.quinnware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54422&postcount=7) post.

And I think it's your right to ask that - but a PM would have done it.

Hmmm....I actually didn't know you were German...and I certainly have not seen that post before.

I am in complete agreement with your final observation.

Next time I want to know something about a quote under a Avatar...I will PM.

idefiXX

03-13-2006, 07:12 PM

Didn't the Steelers beat out the Patriots this year?
I don't know but I am really sure Alonso
http://www.f1total.com/i/fa.jpg
beat Schumacher
http://www.f1total.com/i/ms.jpg
yesterday... Yippie !! :laugh: (I really don't like Schumacher, I prefer Rosberg : )
http://www.f1total.com/i/nr.jpg
Hmmm....I actually didn't know you were German
Well, I removed every sign pointing at my nationality 2 weeks ago. The only thing that stayed was my homepage.

THREAD CLOSED ;)

BALTY

03-13-2006, 10:58 PM

THREAD CLOSED ;)
No NO Not
THREAD CLOSED ;)
I want to know why D1 is the Brain Police???
... and why is Woodsy a Forum lord?
...and why does REX have frag glasses on!

AND more importantly Why is Willy a Wyrmer???? Yeah! that's the big question here!!

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

03-14-2006, 08:19 AM

...and why does REX have frag glasses on!

Heh heh :beer: :cool:

idefiXX

06-15-2006, 02:23 AM

In my homecountry we have the old debate again. :silly: Is a German allowed to be a patriot ?? The worldcup moves alot these days - read here (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,421241,00.html).
Is it possible to be proud of a nation with such a history ? A nation that started 2 world wars and is responsible for the death of millions and millions ?

My answer to this is :
Let's be proud of our present, let's bear in remembrance (of?) our past and let's use this watchfulness for our future. But for God's sake let's not be patriotic (I mean the American way - sorry but this wouldn't fit to my country).
Thats my opinion and there are so many others...:)
What do you think ??

Lich

06-15-2006, 07:10 AM

Xivilaization.

rorythedog

06-15-2006, 07:46 AM

The Second World War was a long time ago man. In the war movies I've seen I don't recall many German flags being visible. Nazi flags, yes. You should feel free to be patriotic, it's a good thing. The big mistake was allowing Hitler to come to power, but you're not alone in that. The UK and France and the US had opportunities to bring his rise to an end and failed to take them. We all bare some responsibility for that. Indeed, after the First World War it was our insistence that duties be paid which directly led to Hitlers rise to power.

Hold your head up. The past is exactly that. Your present Governmental system is a beacon to the rest of Europe. Be proud of that.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

06-15-2006, 08:02 AM

Xivilaization.

I see you got caught up in Oblivion too ha ha :cool: Are the Dremoras treating you well? How tastes the blood from the fountains? And have you had a refreshing dive in the seas of boiling lava yet? :devil:

rorythedog

06-15-2006, 08:17 AM

I see you got caught up in Oblivion too ha ha :cool: Are the Dremoras treating you well? How tastes the blood from the fountains? And have you had a refreshing dive in the seas of boiling lava yet? :devil:

Hijacker! Where's a mod when you need one? Oh, I forgot.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

06-15-2006, 08:47 AM

Hijacker! Where's a mod when you need one? Oh, I forgot.

Hey, he maybe, but certainly I am a fierce Cyrodiilic patriot and/or an Oblivion patriot. I think we all should worship the Daedra, or the nine Divines for the 'good' guys. ;)

idefiXX

06-15-2006, 01:19 PM

Patriotism To show love, support, and sacrifice for one's country.
I don't know, but I just wouldn't sacrifice for my country ;)
No, my problem is, that we shouldn't forget our past, and I think Patriotism leads to that.

madjo

06-15-2006, 02:03 PM

you can't write patriot without a riot.. :P

Antman

06-15-2006, 03:26 PM

All public declarations are subject to public review. I am appalled that any suggestion to the contrary has been posted. An expectation that our responsibilty to defend our ideas is abrogated by some etiquette is absurd. Let cowards run and the valiant stand, let not truth repose.

Please note, InTheWoods, that my disdain is neither directed at you nor the other respondents. It is, rather, directed at the idea.

In the common American vernacular, I am not a patriot. I have been an expatriate and would be now if I had the financial wherewithal to do so. It is my intention to retire to Geneva, and if I had ever finished my doctoral work, I would be there now, working as an economist for the ITU.

See patriotism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism).

Do not misunderstand me. I served 8 years as a United States Marine. I have allowed and assisted others to die for their country. I have seen the face of my enemy explode in a pink halo, triggered by the squeeze of my finger. Vivid recall of this often betrays my sleep. But I am neither sheep nor patriot. I loathe the minions who wave the flag without having ever carried it in battle - civilian scum not worthy of my piss should I find them on fire. Yet I have proved willing to die for their right to be ignorant.

Be proud of who you are. Boast of your father and those before him. But do not lock yourself goosestep with politicians and gentry. Warriors do not start wars, we end them.

This bullshit in Iraq is not a war. It is a hostile takeover of mineral rights.

Antman

06-15-2006, 03:40 PM

"My country right or wrong", slogan of patriots and an exclamation of ignorance.

"Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right; but right or wrong, our country!"

Commodore Stephen Decatur, Jr.
(January 5, 1779 – March 22, 1820)

Mr. Decatur provided transportation for US Marines in Tripoli.

rorythedog

06-15-2006, 04:13 PM

Mr. Decatur is clearly an arse then.

Inthewoods

06-15-2006, 04:15 PM

"My country right or wrong", slogan of patriots and an exclamation of ignorance."My country right or wrong" is not a slogan of patriots, it's a slogan adopted by idiots who think they are patriots. A true patriot knows how ignorant that statement is.

Antman

06-15-2006, 04:34 PM

"My country right or wrong" is not a slogan of patriots, it's a slogan adopted by idiots who think they are patriots. A true patriot knows how ignorant that statement is.

You are typing with wisdom.

Antman

06-15-2006, 04:37 PM

Mr. Decatur is clearly an arse then.

I fail to grasp your meaning. An arse for pleading "...may she always be in the right..." or an arse for proclaiming his fidelity?

Inthewoods

06-15-2006, 04:51 PM

You are typing with wisdom.Thanks, I do try. I guess I think of the relationship between country and citizen somewhat like a marriage. My wife has done some really stupid, hurtful things at times, things that were just plain wrong. (Don't misunderstand, I'm not accusing her, I've done the some of the same things myself)

Nevertheless, I love her for who she is and her beliefs, even if they are misapplied at times. "My wife, right or wrong"? Hardly. But I do love her, I would die for her if necessary. I am proud of her most of the time, and will stand with her when needed.

Same goes for my country. Call me a patriot, and a good husband.

Antman

06-15-2006, 04:58 PM

Carl Schurz
(March 2, 1829 – May 14, 1906)

The first German-born American to enter the United States Senate.

"Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right."

Antman

06-15-2006, 05:07 PM

Call me a patriot, and a good husband.

Excellent analogy.

My willingness to die for my country abated some years ago. "When I get to Heaven, St. Peter I will tell, another Marine reporting, Sir; I served my time in Hell."

Should I find myself in the position of choosing to die, I would die first for my son, then my beautiful wife. In other words, I would let Josie go first. Not for failure of my love for her, but rather for the hope and promise that I find in our child. Of course, death would likely find me with my killer's trachea in my mortified grasp.

I will not go quietly into that good night.

Solon

06-15-2006, 05:38 PM

you can't write patriot without a riot.. :PMaybe not "spell" it, but I can 'say' it with different spelling ... Pay-tree-ot :cheeky:

Hitler wasn't even German, so I don't know what the fuss is about, it's Austria's fault! just kidding, it's no one's fault, not now.

Sure Germany tried to take over the world, killed the jews etc. but that's life - love and war. Germany at that time was all about loving war.

I do think it's a good thing to be "patriotic", to be proud of your nationality and your country, but when your country does something wrong (I still think the Twins Towers was the American Gov't) then you should stand up against your country and let the gov't know you disapprove.

But too much patriotism can lead to wars .. which isn't a good thing.

It's got to be taken in moderation, as does everything in life.

And my views aren't intended to offend anyone, just incase anyone gets offended by anything I say now or at some point in the future; just view them as a point of debate.

I will not go quietly into that good night. Rage, rage, against the dying of the light

idefiXX

06-15-2006, 05:55 PM

I do think it's a good thing to be "patriotic", to be proud of your nationality and your country, but when your country does something wrong (I still think the Twins Towers was the American Gov't) then you should stand up against your country and let the gov't know you disapprove.

But too much patriotism can lead to wars .. which isn't a good thing.

It's got to be taken in moderation, as does everything in life.
Maybe thats what I am trying to say - one shouldn't exaggerate patriotism and always try to be objective.

Antman

06-15-2006, 06:11 PM

Maybe thats what I am trying to say - one shouldn't exaggerate patriotism and always try to be objective.
Either punctuation or structure fails you here, or perhaps I am only reading between the lines. Nonetheless, I choose to interpret that you mean:

Maybe thats (sic) what I am trying to say - one shouldn't exaggerate patriotism and should always try to be objective.

idefiXX

06-15-2006, 06:56 PM

Maybe thats (sic) what I am trying to say - one shouldn't exaggerate patriotism and should always try to be objective.
Thats what I meant to say. :silly:

Antman

06-15-2006, 07:21 PM

Greeks <-- like German women :silly:
Greeks <-- drive too fast
Ouzo <-- can be drunk very often

Maybe it is the ouzo - but isn't it a new month yet?

idefiXX

06-15-2006, 08:35 PM

Maybe it is the ouzo - but isn't it a new month yet?
Thats also the ouzo. :)

WHAT?

06-16-2006, 03:26 PM

Antman,

I have never served, but would have done so if called upon. I can't fully imagine what's been seen though your eyes while in action. I'm 40 + now, so naturally I have a different (hopefully wiser) opinion about me trying to enlist at this stage in life.
However, the US civilian that I am, waving the American flag is something I not only do for the love for this country, (and for which it was fundamentally founded), but for the guys before me, such as you who fought to keep it so.
Loathe me if you will, but that will be a one way street!

signed - civilian scum (I guess)

P.S. Thanks for you previous service of 8 years!
http://www.quinnware.com/forum/images/emots/post/thumbup.gif

Antman

06-16-2006, 04:05 PM

However, the US civilian that I am, waving the American flag is something I not only do for the love for this country, (and for which it was fundamentally founded), but for the guys before me, such as you who fought to keep it so.
Loathe me if you will, but that will be a one way street!

You have given me pause to consider the anger in my statement. Let me assure you that my use of the words "wave the flag" was a failed attempt to allude to the concept of "flag waving". After contemplative consideration, I will address this concept, at least my personal interpretation of it, in a future post in this thread.

An example that I saw just this morning - I was behind a Ford Explorer in traffic. We were in the right lane (commonly misinterpreted to be the slow lane). The Ford was tailgating, less than 10 feet, a small Toyota at 60 mph. The Ford had the requisite yellow ribbon, a 9/11 flag with the words "Lest We Forget" and the "W '04" flag. The driver of the Ford flicked a cigarette out of the window. After the Ford finally passed the Toyota, I noticed that the Toyota had a parking sticker and an enlisted personnel base emblem for Ft. Myer.

What my mind's eye saw - Civilian scum waving the flag. It was OK for this human to jeopardize the safety of an active duty soldier and to trash the land that soldier serves to protect. It would seem that this citizen found it necessary, or at least convenient, to wrap himself in all the proper accoutrements without giving pause to their true meaning.

In the Corps, he would likely be among the first to die in combat.

rorythedog

06-16-2006, 04:21 PM

"W '04". Que?

Antman

06-16-2006, 04:41 PM

"W '04". Que?

Dictator Dumbass is commonly referred to as "W". W '04, wrapped in a flag, is a bumper sticker that the neo-con Republicans use to elevate, I mean separate, I mean identify, themselves from real thinking conservatives and other free people.

A hand gesture used by these puppets - the first three fingers held up to form a W. It is necessary to read between the lines to understand the true message.

When the Clinton administration left the White House, somebody removed the Ws from all the keyboards.

Mind you - I AM a fiscal conservative, a social libertarian, and a free thinking member of the Republican Party. I do not support discrimination in law.

B.E.L.B.H.D.

06-16-2006, 06:35 PM

An example that I saw just this morning - I was behind a Ford Explorer in traffic. We were in the right lane (commonly misinterpreted to be the slow lane). The Ford was tailgating, less than 10 feet, a small Toyota at 60 mph. The Ford had the requisite yellow ribbon, a 9/11 flag with the words "Lest We Forget" and the "W '04" flag. The driver of the Ford flicked a cigarette out of the window. After the Ford finally passed the Toyota, I noticed that the Toyota had a parking sticker and an enlisted personnel base emblem for Ft. Myer.

What my mind's eye saw - Civilian scum waving the flag. It was OK for this human to jeopardize the safety of an active duty soldier and to trash the land that soldier serves to protect. It would seem that this citizen found it necessary, or at least convenient, to wrap himself in all the proper accoutrements without giving pause to their true meaning.

I'm sure that you can prove that the driver of the Ford was just a civilian. Right? I mean, "civilian scum" is a pretty bold choice of words.

Antman

06-16-2006, 07:49 PM

I'm sure that you can prove that the driver of the Ford was just a civilian. Right? I mean, "civilian scum" is a pretty bold choice of words.

It is a violation of the UCMJ to publicly display political affiliation. All violations of the UCMJ are felonies. All convictions under the UCMJ are subject to imprisonment at hard labor. Constitutional protections against double jeopardy do not apply to persons subject to the UCMJ. The final article of the UCMJ, Article 134, commonly known as the General Article, loosely translated, means: If it is not a violation yet, it is now.

Considering your age, I will not hold you to the high standard that a Marine requires of those whom we serve.

A bold Marine? Fuckin' A!

rorythedog

06-16-2006, 07:54 PM

I'm sure that you can prove that the driver of the Ford was just a civilian. Right? I mean, "civilian scum" is a pretty bold choice of words.

I got his meaning and I'm by no means 'one of them'.

About Republicans - where I live the term is used to mean an entirely different thing to how it's used in the US of A. I'm a Republican...waiting for the revolution. I fail to see how the term can be applied in the US of A.

rorythedog

06-16-2006, 08:02 PM

Marines and "high standards" is a good one.

WHAT?

06-16-2006, 08:33 PM

Dictator Dumbass is commonly referred to as "W". W '04, wrapped in a flag, is a bumper sticker that the neo-con Republicans use to elevate, I mean separate, I mean identify, themselves from real thinking conservatives and other free people.

Mind you - I AM a fiscal conservative, a social libertarian, and a free thinking member of the Republican Party. I do not support discrimination in law.

Well just shows a funny prospective here.

I too have run across those type people on the road. Pisses me off when they flick their butts out high enough to hit my car, obviously with no regard to others, nor the environment. Most smokers I know, are very nice people however do the worst things when it comes to their habbit. for instrance, they tend to empty out their ashtrays at a stop sign, just before they get home, or to whatever their destination may put them. That's real nice huh! I know some of you here smoke, and are better than that. However, what really makes me shake my head in anger are those who do this and show their colors (FLAG waving) ie ... "Gore in 04", "Greenpeace", "I hate mean people" "Bush sucks" "Doubya Dumbass".

I guess it is just the view from a right angle or something. Because that's how I see it.
The real puzzlement for me is hearing a similar thought in reverse, and that to be coming from a fellow conservative? Odd indeed.

I can see now how one could misinterpret someone’s stance on being conservative, yet a Doubys hater. What's odder yet, is the Swiss dream you have Antman. That country has this neutral thing going on, but you don't appear to be anything of the sort.

Hope it all works out for ya though!
It is a violation of the UCMJ to publicly display political affiliation. All violations of the UCMJ are felonies. All convictions under the UCMJ are subject to imprisonment at hard labor. Constitutional protections against double jeopardy do not apply to persons subject to the UCMJ. The final article of the UCMJ, Article 134, commonly known as the General Article, loosely translated, means: If it is not a violation yet, it is now.
I'm not picking on ya, just trying to understand.
So a former UCMJ can't run for any office, unless neutral (partyless)?

Antman

06-16-2006, 09:46 PM

...What's odder yet, is the Swiss dream you have...
...a former UCMJ can't run for any office, unless neutral (partyless)...

The UCMJ is a code of law. At some point, all persons subject to it are no longer subject to it; Bush, for example.

J'aime Geneve! It is so beautiful, clean and quiet (unlike Zurich). In respect to neutrality, I am just tired of violence. I want to smoke weed on my balcony without concern. I can do this in Colorado, also. I own property in Colorado and will likely retire there; it is in my nature to retain dreams as opposed to seeking their manisfestation. I guess that Geneva is just so exotic to me. I really cannot afford it, at least not while maintaining the lifestyle to which I am accustomed.

Since my wife is from the Philippines, I will have to abide by what makes her happy - it is her presence in my life allows me to enjoy anything.

Flag waving is not limited to Republicans. Liberals just wave flags of a different color. Freedom for everyone, responsibility for no one. I admire their goals - I question their funding methods. Keep your grubby little taxing fingers out of my pocket. I will feed a hungry man, I might teach a hungry man to farm, but I will not accept some twisted philosophy that my government should tell me who to feed.

What?, my unseen friend, fret not to understand me. That is my job and I have yet to accomplish it. I retain the right to be wrong, to contradict myself and to fail any test. What I will not do is surrender or shirk. On that, you can rely.

And somebody, please insert a penis in Ann Coulter's mouth. My zipper is stuck.

rorythedog

06-16-2006, 09:48 PM

Scum are everywhere.

I've seen the world a bit too and your average guy anywhere wants exactly the same things as I do, and you do. If not, it says more of you than they.

Antman

06-16-2006, 10:00 PM

I'm a Republican...waiting for the revolution. I fail to see how the term can be applied in the US of A.

The problem with a revolution is that what begins on top, returns to the top. What begins on the bottom, returns to the bottom. I seek demilution. And yes, my fellow conservatives, my politics fully support the redistribution of wealth. It is the mechanism of distribution that remains undefined. Star Trek accomplished it, but they fail to explain how. :puzzled:

Most Americans do not understand that we do not live in a democracy. The USA is a republic.

rorythedog

06-16-2006, 10:29 PM

You think? You didn't really answer my question though, not that I care. Your general opinion is noted. It's not the first time I've heard it from your shores. Where you feel relief, I feel disdain. C'est la vie.

Antman

06-16-2006, 10:39 PM

You think? You didn't really answer my question though, not that I care. Your general opinion is noted. It's not the first time I've heard it from your shores. Where you fweel relief, I feel disdain. C'est la vie.

Other than ""W '04". Que?" and "Where's a mod when you need one?", I do not see that you asked a question anywhere in this thread. Neither do I see any reference to "relief" other than your non sequitur.

Without regard to this lack of coherence, if you do not care, then do not ask. Tread lightly though, I am little perturbed at Marines and "high standards" is a good one.

I'll give you a high standard.

Inthewoods

06-16-2006, 11:46 PM

Heading for the refreshment counter for some popcorn wth extra butter and a large diet Dr. Pepper before the second round.... er I mean half.

rorythedog

06-17-2006, 12:14 AM

Other than ""W '04". Que?" and "Where's a mod when you need one?", I do not see that you asked a question anywhere in this thread. Neither do I see any reference to "relief" other than your non sequitur.

Without regard to this lack of coherence, if you do not care, then do not ask. Tread lightly though, I am little perturbed at

I'll give you a high standard.

Can't even remember posting that, shows how drunk I am. When you come down to Earth give me a shout.

"When you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit".

Antman, you're one up.

*EDiT* - I sense rhetoric

Antman

06-17-2006, 12:14 AM

Heading for the refreshment counter for some popcorn wth extra butter and a large diet Dr. Pepper before the second round.... er I mean half.

Hurry back. Tyson was slow.

God has a hard on for Marines. We keep Heaven stocked with fresh souls.

rorythedog

06-17-2006, 12:25 AM

Cannon Fodder

Antman

06-17-2006, 12:42 AM

Can't even remember posting that, shows how drunk I am. When you come down to Earth give me a shout.
No worries, this Devil Dog has a leather neck.

Full Metal Jacket:

How do you know if they're VC?
If they run, they're VC. If they don't run, they're well trained VC!

But how do you shoot women and children?
Don't lead 'em as far.

From Major Payne:

Must be somebody needs some killin'.
No Major Payne... you've killed them all.
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One - don't you look dumb!
Two - look at you!
Three - Don't ever talk about me behind my back or I'll stomp you into the ground!
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"Do you understand positive reinforcement?"
"Is that like when you break the neck of a POW after torturing him, so he doesn't have to spend the rest of his life with a colostomy bag?"
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"You'll get no sympathy from me. If you want my sympathy, look in the dictionary between "shit" and "syphilis"; that's where you'll find my sympathy."
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"War has made me very paranoid, and when a man gets to eyeballing me too much, it makes my Agent Orange act up."

Antman

06-17-2006, 12:53 AM

Rory The Dog,

You are OK in my book. I do not wear panties. I go commando!

At least, until I got married. Now I have all sorts of briefs and boxers that seem to amuse my wife. C'est la vie, c'est tu bon!

B.E.L.B.H.D.

06-17-2006, 06:23 AM

It is a violation of the UCMJ to publicly display political affiliation. All violations of the UCMJ are felonies. All convictions under the UCMJ are subject to imprisonment at hard labor. Constitutional protections against double jeopardy do not apply to persons subject to the UCMJ. The final article of the UCMJ, Article 134, commonly known as the General Article, loosely translated, means: If it is not a violation yet, it is now.

This does not in any way show that the driver of the Ford was a civilian. Yes, this person displayed "political affiliation", but in providing a law relating to this display and the consequences for breaking this law, you have shown that the law can indeed be broken.

Matt

06-18-2006, 03:03 PM

read the rules... do not make personal attacks. I deleted the posts and will close the thread if you can't keep the discussion a discussion.

acushla

06-19-2006, 12:58 AM

In the Corps, he would likely be among the first to die in combat.'Friendly' fire?

Inthewoods

06-19-2006, 01:27 AM

Speaking of "friendly", what the hell ever happened to this forum? It's a dirty shame.:(

Protocol

06-19-2006, 01:34 AM

B.E.L.B.H.D.

06-19-2006, 03:14 AM

Instead of replying to personal attacks, the best thing to do is to report the offending post. Replying to personal attacks just drags you down to the same level and lowers the high standards of this forum.

Wouldn't you agree that it depends on how you reply though? I've always heard that "two wrongs don't make a right", but I don't think that I did anything wrong.

Sorry if I made anyone mad by not "letting it go"...

Protocol

06-19-2006, 03:30 AM

Wouldn't you agree that it depends on how you reply though? I've always heard that "two wrongs don't make a right", but I don't think that I did anything wrong.

Sorry if I made anyone mad by not "letting it go"...
I do concede that it is very hard to resist, but I rarely see any positives come out of a slanging match.

rorythedog

06-19-2006, 05:01 AM

Speaking of "friendly", what the hell ever happened to this forum? It's a dirty shame.:(

You have to ask? That's a laugh!

idefiXX

06-19-2006, 01:34 PM

Speaking of "friendly", what the hell ever happened to this forum? It's a dirty shame.:(
It was wrong to stirr this up again. Sorry, patriotsm is a really sensitive subject.

Solon

06-19-2006, 01:45 PM

I think it's a shame we have sensitive subjects in the world. I'd much prefer a world where everyone could let go of their inhibitions and discuss anything and everything openly .. but I guess it's human nature .. emotions and all that. I guess if everything was looked at objectively without emotions then the world wouldn't be as fun either. In a way it's good that topics like this arise and arguments come out of it; it shows us that we're human, we have beliefs, we have moral viewpoints .. and they're different to other people; we're al unique. We're not a world of clones and that's a good thing.

Todd The Kiwi

06-19-2006, 11:35 PM

my folks [and my entire family bar my sister*] are English
i feel more patriotic toward England than New Zealand for some reason.
luckily i don't follow any sport :P

*my sister and i were both born here, hence we are kiwis.

BALTY

06-20-2006, 12:18 AM

It was wrong to stirr this up again. Sorry, patriotsm is a really sensitive subject.
No you were NOT wrong. This topic is legit. Nothing wrong with a discussion of this type. It's the spice that makes the forum zroom!
We all just need to chill sometimes. It's hard to do at times, I know.
As mentioned in the past, the common man is born with equal potential.
But in reality, some of us are more equal than others (I think the great 'Yogi Berra said that. See... The Yogi Book: 'I Really Didn't Say Everything I Said' ...). or http://www.yogiberra.com/yogi-isms.html

Anyway, "To be intellectual" doesn't mean "to be wise"!

Inthewoods

06-20-2006, 12:19 AM

You have to ask? That's a laugh!HaHaHa.... Ha... Ha............................................ha

Inthewoods

06-20-2006, 12:28 AM

It was wrong to stirr this up again. Sorry, patriotsm is a really sensitive subject.No it wasn't wrong at all, Balty is right. It's just a matter of respect for opinions that differ from one's own. As for me, I'm tossing in the towel on all but the most frivolous of topics. Tha leaves out anything to do with regions, customs, patriotism, sayings, international sports, world news, politics, terrorism, in short, almost anything really worth discussion.......hell I might just as well pull my "membership" completely....oh well, so be it.

Roj

06-20-2006, 01:11 AM

As for me, I'm tossing in the towel on all but the most frivolous of topics. Tha leaves out anything to do with regions, customs, patriotism, sayings, international sports, world news, politics, terrorism, in short, almost anything really worth discussion.......hell I might just as well pull my "membership" completely....oh well, so be it.
Don't - You - Freakin' - Dare!!

Inthewoods

06-21-2006, 08:21 PM

Don't - You - Freakin' - Dare!!Dare taken, bye.

Roj

06-21-2006, 09:18 PM

Dare taken, bye.
Please tell me you're not serious.

rorythedog

06-21-2006, 09:54 PM

Of course he's serious. He's rarely anything else. Have a word Roj.

BALTY

06-21-2006, 11:56 PM

Of course he's serious. He's rarely anything else. Have a word Roj....as opposed to me. I'm rarely serious.:knocked-o
BTW what does "Have a word Roj" mean?

BALTY

06-22-2006, 02:15 AM

Please tell me you're not serious.
Woods will be back I'm sure. It may be very limited though. I think he is talking about political / religious content only. I think:paranoid: . I don't blame him. It gets tiring and frustrating at times.
I look forward to hearing from him in most all other threads.

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WHAT?

06-22-2006, 05:09 PM

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/01/15/1137345506_1456.jpg

Hey Woods, hope you will still be around Man!

BALTY

06-28-2006, 12:35 PM

Happened to catch this today.

idefiXX

06-28-2006, 03:32 PM

This is old. Germans are the taillight. This (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-060616worldcuppatriotism,1,2369982.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-utl) is an interesting article for those of you interested in German patriotism.

acushla

06-28-2006, 03:38 PM

Happened to catch this today.How much of that do you attribute to the fact that every day from kindergarten through to the end of High School you pledge allegiance to the flag?

WHAT?

06-28-2006, 04:00 PM

How much of that do you attribute to the fact that every day from kindergarten through to the end of High School you pledge allegiance to the flag?
Right! And how much Godlessness will come from removing " under God"?
OH bTW, Canada was a close third.

Willow of Oz

06-28-2006, 04:50 PM

How much of that do you attribute to the fact that every day from kindergarten through to the end of High School you pledge allegiance to the flag?

And how much comes from the US' global power?
"How proud they were of their
political influence?
Economic success
Sporting success
Military success

It must be hard for someone from Nigeria to truly say they are proud of most of the above. Or perhaps I'm just ignorant of the success of their National Spam Association.

It sounds like a truly worthless study indeed.