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chicubs

12-16-2003, 07:25 PM

Winamp 5 Final is out...2 versions and light and full featured (both free) ...it seems a lot faster. I know a lot use are zealots here, but just try it out...for me, its missing something, cant put a finger on it.

chicubs

12-16-2003, 07:33 PM

some skins have some problems with the new release...hmm..

fatal error

12-16-2003, 08:41 PM

...friends don't let friends use winamp.:p

chicubs

12-16-2003, 08:49 PM

honestly, whats so great about a freakin media library?...so stupid.

regener8ed

12-16-2003, 09:44 PM

...friends don't let friends use winamp.:p
we need t-shirts!

chicubs

12-16-2003, 09:46 PM

we need t-shirts!

sad thing is I would actually buy one of them.

ace2701

12-17-2003, 02:45 AM

sad thing is I would actually buy one of them.
I'll take a large size, please :D

Hanzo

12-17-2003, 02:59 AM

Hey a T-Shirt isn't a bad idea. Using Winamp is...

I think QCD's Q logo will look pretty nice in a T-Shirt... what you think?

Heigar

12-17-2003, 07:04 AM

I would definitely buy one!:D

XL,Black with the Q logo and underneath the logo put"friends don't let friends use winamp"!

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-17-2003, 08:16 AM

Yea, indeed! A T-shirt would be great with QCD on it. I wonder if anyone is capable/ has time to make a design for the T-shirt, and then we all print it on a T-shirt at the nearest store :D

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-17-2003, 08:22 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA. You have to PAY, P-A-Y, for winamp pro that has an encoder. NO ONE in their right mind would do such a thing. Come to QCD community, encoder for free!

->QCD rocks!

Young Twig

12-17-2003, 10:14 PM

You haev to copy and paste the link because freewebs is dumb. :(

black
http://www.freewebs.com/youngtwig/qcd%5Freal%20friends.jpg

grey
http://www.freewebs.com/youngtwig/qcd%5Freal%20friends.jpg

Hanzo

12-17-2003, 11:18 PM

You haev to copy and paste the link because freewebs is dumb. :(

black
http://www.freewebs.com/youngtwig/qcd%5Freal%20friends.jpg

grey
http://www.freewebs.com/youngtwig/qcd%5Freal%20friends.jpg
Yeah! I will have mine printed soon. I will post a pic of me wearing it so you can see and decide if you do it too... well I'm no fashion model but if there is a model among us, maybe he can do it to encourage the others. After all you won't get QCD T-Shirts in retail stores... :D

chicubs

12-17-2003, 11:57 PM

I cant see it! I still get 404 error!

Hanzo

12-18-2003, 02:51 AM

I cant see it! I still get 404 error!
Copy the URL, paste into your browser. His server doesn't allow to pull images from outside links.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-18-2003, 07:53 AM

Both images are the same it seems (ie black w/ logo). Good job though!

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-18-2003, 07:57 AM

Maybe you should add the title 'Quintessential player' so that anyone in the world knows what the logo stands for ;)

drewkeller

12-18-2003, 02:00 PM

i've always kept this link around in case i needed it. might be interesting for the current topic.

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/

ace2701

12-18-2003, 02:11 PM

Copy the URL, paste into your browser. His server doesn't allow to pull images from outside links.
(SIGH) I copied, I pasted, I still got nuttin but "error 404" :(

tupperduck

12-18-2003, 03:26 PM

I'm having the same problem ace. I cut and paste the URL and get an error.

JEdwardP

12-18-2003, 06:09 PM

...just try it out...

I tried it. It's lightweight and fast, but I think it's sound quality is inferior to both QCD and Foobar. It'll be a nice upgrade for those who insist on Winamp, but I saw nothing that would cause me to switch to it. I've already uninstalled it.

Xymantix

12-18-2003, 06:30 PM

i've always kept this link around in case i needed it. might be interesting for the current topic.

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/

My parents-in-law have one of those setups where they can print logos, etc. on anything - T Shirts, coffee mugs, pens, etc. I was kind of toying with the idea of creating some sort of graphical ad to have them test with, but haven't done it yet.

Roj

12-18-2003, 08:35 PM

Young Twig

12-18-2003, 09:11 PM

I cant see it! I still get 404 error!
Right Click copy shortcut... The dumb forums abbreviate the URL... The URL doesn't really have an elipse (is that what they are called) in it.

:(

Hanzo

12-18-2003, 11:46 PM

Right Click copy shortcut... The dumb forums abbreviate the URL... The URL doesn't really have an elipse (is that what they are called) in it.

:(
I did not mention the fact that you had to right-click the link and copy the shorcut because I know Chicubs uses Firebird, so I'm not sure if he would know what I was talking about.

I don't want to start more browser wars...

So, has anyone printed the T-Shirt already????

Tokelil

12-19-2003, 01:26 AM

**huge yawn**

It would have been just "yawn" but the board wouldn't let me...LOL this has to be the number one most reported "bug" with QCD...

ace2701

12-19-2003, 02:18 AM

Copy the URL, paste into your browser. His server doesn't allow to pull images from outside links.
Thanks Hanzo. That did it. Looks cool. I still need a large size :p .

tupperduck

12-19-2003, 02:24 PM

Aha! Yes, the Right-Click thing worked for me, too. Thanks.

Young Twig

12-20-2003, 02:31 AM

...love vector programs...

someone should honestly open a cafe press store.

ace2701

12-20-2003, 04:22 AM

...love vector programs...

someone should honestly open a cafe press store.Perfect! Now I need a REALLY good printer and some transfer paper :D .

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-20-2003, 02:09 PM

Hey Young twig, that's a much better picture. :cool: Cool that you added the title "quintessential player". Unfortunately, the text gets cut off slightly on the edges of the picture and what happened to the slogan "real friends dont let friends use winamp" :(.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-20-2003, 02:11 PM

Sorry about me being so critical. ;)

Young Twig

12-20-2003, 04:58 PM

It's okay, rex. Thankfully, I saved the file this time. ;)

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-20-2003, 05:11 PM

Hey cool! thx. This picture is outta this world! And now to put it on a T-Shirt :D

DeltaGuy

12-20-2003, 05:13 PM

...love vector programs...

someone should honestly open a cafe press store.
Here, I've set one up: http://www.cafeshops.com/QuinnMarket
If I can have your permission to use your images, I'll start customizing the store and adding product with your logos on them...
The store is non-profit, I wouldn't make anything off it...
All product would be sold at cost price from CafePress...

Young Twig

12-20-2003, 06:43 PM

Here, I've set one up: http://www.cafeshops.com/QuinnMarket
If I can have your permission to use your images, I'll start customizing the store and adding product with your logos on them...
The store is non-profit, I wouldn't make anything off it...
All product would be sold at cost price from CafePress...
Well, I have no problem with you using my graphics, but don't you need Paul/Matt's permission. After all, I traced their logo. Or does my having traced it make that not necessary? I don't know this crap. I'm only 13. :D

DeltaGuy

12-20-2003, 09:36 PM

Well, I have no problem with you using my graphics, but don't you need Paul/Matt's permission. After all, I traced their logo. Or does my having traced it make that not necessary? I don't know this crap. I'm only 13. :D
Yes, first I wanted to get your permission, then I need Matt's permission to use the graphic (he designed it, as far as I know), then I need Paul's permission to use the name "Quintessential Player"...
I agree with you, copyright laws are confusing, and even more confusing if you are trying to use CafePress with their rules...
So, now that you agree, I think I'll PM Matt and Paul about it...
If they say yes, we'll be able to get started. I won't be able to start until Monday, it's a busy weekend, but I have Monday off. I'll need to get some various sizes and versions of the graphic from you if they agree...

Young Twig

12-20-2003, 10:00 PM

I'll need to get some various sizes and versions of the graphic from you if they agree...
No problem.

I wish I had monday off. I have school moday and tuesday. my school sucks. a lot.

JEdwardP

12-21-2003, 05:11 AM

the slogan "real friends dont let friends use winamp" :(.

I like the idea of a QCD T-shirt, but if you're actually going to go through with it, I STRONGLY urge using a pro-QCD slogan, rather than an anti-Winamp one.

It would be a lot more classy and professional. Afterall, if the real purpose of the shirt is to promote QCD, the slogan should do just that. I want to be seen as a QCD supporter, not a Winamp hater, and they're definitely NOT the same.

fatal error

12-21-2003, 05:30 AM

I like the idea of a QCD T-shirt, but if you're actually going to go through with it, I STRONGLY urge using a pro-QCD slogan, rather than an anti-Winamp one.

It would be a lot more classy and professional. Afterall, if the real purpose of the shirt is to promote QCD, the slogan should do just that. I want to be seen as a QCD supporter, not a Winamp hater, and they're definitely NOT the same.
i agree with this statement. even though I hate winamp about as much as a person COULD hate it.

a negative statement on a shirt promoting qcd is not the direction to go, imho

Heigar

12-21-2003, 09:06 AM

Then you should put THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE! Instead of the winamp one.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-21-2003, 10:23 AM

Or Quintessential player, the destination of audio playback Or Quintessential player, nothing can beat it!

jawpr

12-21-2003, 12:39 PM

or SIMPLY AMAZING

jawpr

12-21-2003, 12:41 PM

or LEADING THE WAY

jawpr

12-21-2003, 12:42 PM

or SIMPLY THE BEST

matty28carter

12-21-2003, 01:29 PM

QCD the quintessential mediaplayer

Tokelil

12-21-2003, 01:44 PM

Hanzo

12-22-2003, 01:28 AM

Here are some marketing phrases I have thought of (some are adapted from other stuff - some are pretty lame IMO but hey, anybody can wear the phrase they want) for QCD's brand new T-Shirt.

QCD the leading mediaplayer
Leading the path of media players - QCD
Don't mess with QCD
Got QCD ?
Quintessential Player - the essence of music.
Quiessence of music, QCD
QCD - music as it's meant to be.
only Quintessential
(your fave artist here) just plays on QCD
Music is better on QCD...
Lost in music - Lost in QCD
Music's no good without QCD
QCD Addicted

I could easily create more... I'm just lazy, I studied marketing basics when I was in high school.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-22-2003, 01:15 PM

Cool :D i like these slogans. Anyone still up for designing a pro-QCD image for a T-shirt, make your pick. :cool: I can hardly wait to get my hands on that T-shirt.

jawpr

12-22-2003, 01:42 PM

How about a cap also?

#The fREaK!

12-22-2003, 02:05 PM

I have some more:

QCD - It's Quintessential
The Quintessential Player
Not only essential, but Quintessential! - QCD
QCD - As far as quality goes!

DeltaGuy

12-22-2003, 08:06 PM

Still waiting on a reply from Paul and Matt...
Here is a list of the products that could be made: CafePress Products (http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/products/index.aspx)
I can create of of each of the products, except for the Premium Ones...
There are a few Shirts I could sell, so I could place a different design or slogan on each if we could agree on the best slogans...
As soon as Paul and Matt reply, I'll get started...
Also, the website address should probably be on the shirt too...

Young Twig

12-22-2003, 09:04 PM

I thought this store was going to be a joke.

jawpr

12-22-2003, 09:44 PM

I thought this store was going to be a joke.

So did I - I really doubt Paul will go for it. Just my guess--

philipptr

12-22-2003, 11:18 PM

...i actually use winamp 5 as my default player :p ...

*runing away from all the stones flying through the air*

Young Twig

12-22-2003, 11:43 PM

...i actually use winamp 5 as my default player :p ...

*runing away from all the stones flying through the air*
There's nothing wrong wiht that. It really isn't that bad.... QCD is just better. :p

...and a lot easier to skin.

Hey, phillipptr, what everhappened to skinning qcd after paul added the skinnable visualizations? ;)

Hanzo

12-22-2003, 11:47 PM

...i actually use winamp 5 as my default player :p ...

*runing away from all the stones flying through the air*
Then you are not elegible for wearing our QCD T-Shirt ;)

Just kidding. It would be weird if you wear a QCD T-Shirt but use Winamp

#The fREaK!

12-23-2003, 12:10 AM

Mabe he just wants to wear it for safety reasons... ;)

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-23-2003, 01:37 PM

Do other mediaplayers actually have fan stuff for sale as well, like T-shirts? Also, is there a way to find out how many people use QCD? Do Paul and Matt have some download stats somewhere on the website? It maybe important to know before starting to produce/sell QCD merchandise. I hope Paul and Matt dont have any objections to this though. Hell, we dont even know if we are allowed to create our own T-shirts for personal use. Lets hope they dont mind, after all its chrismas :)

Young Twig

12-23-2003, 03:13 PM

Well, beta maxx2 has like 15000 downloads, so, there must be quite a few users... ;)

JEdwardP

12-23-2003, 03:29 PM

...a way to find out how many people use QCD?

There've been over 824K downloads of QCD at CNET, with 89% positive user reviews.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-23-2003, 03:48 PM

Wow, yea that is quite something. I just wondered that because when i go play games online for example and ask if anyone use QCD i get no positive answer. Just maybe QCD users aren't all the gaming type people.

DeltaGuy

12-23-2003, 08:58 PM

I thought this store was going to be a joke.
Even so I would still need permission...
Cafepress is EXTREMELY strict about using images you did not create...
They know my IP, that's reason enough to be afraid...

Young Twig

12-23-2003, 09:07 PM

Even so I would still need permission...
Cafepress is EXTREMELY strict about using images you did not create...
They know my IP, that's reason enough to be afraid...
Yeah... I understand that.

I was saying that in reference to everyone's comments on not bashing winamp, etc.

DeltaGuy

12-23-2003, 09:14 PM

I was saying that in reference to everyone's comments on not bashing winamp, etc.
But Winamp is just SOOOOO bashible...
Winamp - No Longer Crashing my Computer after every second song...
...NOW AFTER EVERY THIRD SONG!!!

Young Twig

12-23-2003, 09:16 PM

But Winamp is just SOOOOO bashible...
Winamp - No Longer Crashing my Computer after every second song...
...NOW AFTER EVERY THIRD SONG!!!
I was using Winamp yeterday. It actually took like 5 songs... ;)

ace2701

12-24-2003, 03:06 AM

I was using Winamp yeterday. It actually took like 5 songs... ;)
I gave up Winamp a LONG time ago. Since QCD, I've never looked back.
(I'm still waiting for a sharp logo, and -remember- I take a size large T-shirt). ;)

acozz

12-24-2003, 03:19 AM

My God, Winamp 5 takes forever to install.

Heigar

12-24-2003, 03:48 AM

My God, Winamp 5 takes forever to install.
That's because it has to install all that AOL virus crap.

Young Twig

12-24-2003, 04:17 AM

My God, Winamp 5 takes forever to install.
Not as long as iTunes. ;)

Winamp 5 takes forever to run. I had no idea what was wrong with my computer. Until I realized I had left Winamp open. It sucks my 566/128 resources.

JEdwardP

12-24-2003, 04:43 AM

Not as long as iTunes

iTunes takes too long to do anything. IMO, It's a bloated monstrosity. That's a shame, too, because I think it's a decent music service (second only to Emusic). The software is bad enough to keep me from any degree of regular use of it.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-24-2003, 01:41 PM

Winamp 5 = winamp 2 + 3, oh boy. Maybe the next winamp version will be called winamp 6.66 for the sake of originality :D

Heigar

12-24-2003, 01:48 PM

Winamp 5 = winamp 2 + 3, oh boy. Maybe the next winamp version will be called winamp 6.66 for the sake of originality :D
It will be winamp 8 = winamp 3 + 5 , doesn't matter to me what version it will be I'll never use it.:D

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-24-2003, 02:09 PM

LOL Have you guys ever been to the winamp forum. There is some great stuff there actually. For instance it seems some members are not very happy with AOL behind winamp. read this!!:

"Well, on thinking about it, you are right. Winamp is complete and utter shit now. I installed 5.0 and it installed right over my earlier version, and I just started /using/ it! What kinda shit is that. Not only that but I didn't see a difference in it while in classic skin 'til I opened the preferences! God, I can't believe AOL corrupted Nullsoft."

- Posted by Spazz333 in this thread -> WINAMP.COM | Forums > Winamp > Winamp Discussion > Have you ever purchased Winamp before?

Can you believe that? No one here at the QCD forum would say such horrible things about QCD for comparison.

Live long and prosper, winamp......not.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-24-2003, 02:13 PM

Too bad he was being sarcastic there :rolleyes:

Heigar

12-24-2003, 02:21 PM

Pay $14.95 for something that QCD can do for free?I don't think so.How did you like that nice big Aol aim advertisement and the slogan "so fine we had to skip a number"? That's some funny Sh!t.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-24-2003, 02:51 PM

There is just one more contribution i like to make in this thread concerning the success of winamp 5. You can read it in the winamp forum:

WINAMP.COM | Forums > Winamp > Winamp Discussion > Winamp....To common of a story.

The response of that moderator does make one thinking about it all...

DeltaGuy

12-24-2003, 05:38 PM

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-24-2003, 05:56 PM

Do you have a link to that thread???
I can't find it...

sorry cant make a link, its full of jibberish. it wont post properly. but try this, its how i found the thread. Go to search forum and type QCD. The first result is the thread im referring to. :)

Young Twig

12-24-2003, 06:19 PM

It's on the second page in the Winamp discussion forum.

bmc152003

12-24-2003, 06:57 PM

It's on the second page in the Winamp discussion forum.Heres what the thread said:

berny2602
Junior Member

Its sad to see winamp take the path everything seems to take these days. I still love winamp. I’ll still use winamp, but I buy it?? Nope. Winamp started as a free music player that did just that. Played music. And it played it damn well. With this simplicity came popularity and a huge user base. Winamp did the right thing, made it almost a open source program. Anyone and everyone could make skins, and Plug-ins for it. And you didn’t have to search far for them. They were all on winamp.com. With the second release came more advanced features and a bigger winamp. It also became more buggy and unreliable. But over time improved and regained a massive add-on library. But the old “Do a few things and do them the best” Mentality of winamp was gone. It was still free, plug-in’s were as well. Now winamp 5.0 and pro are out. And winamp has takin the wrong path. There is a free version, and it plays music just fine. But there is the 15 dollar version. No longer is winamp totally free. If you wanted to rip with the old winamp, you could download a plug-in. Now you have to pay. By adding this price it will limit the plug-in library. Add-ons that improve the free version to the point where it can do everything the pro version can wont be accepted. The quality of add-ins will decrease. Its sad to see winamp turning into another “Realplayer” where the free version is alright, but to get what you might want, you have to pay. And the plug-ins are all eye candy, because usefull ones would improve the free version to much. When you used to download winamp, it was just the foundation of a media player. It was up to the millions of programmers to make other features to improve the player. You could have a very simple player, or very advanced player. I still love winamp, I don’t want it to because what most other popular programs have. Winamp as a shareware does not work. It is a giant mistake for Nullsoft to do this, someone else will come along and do what winamp used to do. A free player with the greatest user base ever. So nullsoft, if your reading this. Don’t knock down what made winamp so great. Don’t fall into the big corporate AOL money making ploy. The path you are taking will only lead to the falling apart of a once great product. Make it all free. Make donations available so we can still support you financially. Make it simple with the ability to grow through open source programming. Don’t ditch what made it the best media player on the planet. I want the old winamp. The winamp that used to “whip the llamas @$$” For now, I'll listen with QCD Player....a player with winamps old qualitys.

Sawg
Forum fhqwhgad
Moderator

You do realize Winamp is still Free? When you purchase Pro you are paying for the licensing of the CD Ripping and Burning stuff.

Everything that was available in Winamp 2.91 is still available in Winamp 5.0 fro FREE. And if you don't want to advanced features that Winamp 5.0 offers, just uncheck them in the installer, it's not hard.

I am confused when it became a sin for a company to try to make money? Nullsoft cannot keep absorbing the licensing costs for advanced features forever.

And as much as everyone just loves to bash AOL, chances are there would be no Winamp today if it wasn't for them. Developers have bills to pay too.

But, hey, do what you want. If you want to use an inferior player because you see it as some crime for a company to pass the cost of a per-download license for extra features they decided to use down, that's up to you. If you feel it is a crime for a company to want to make money, that is up to you. If you blind yourself to the fact that Nullsoft is not charging for anything that you couldn't do before, fine.

Just don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. trust me, we have enough pricks here with on their high horse bitching about the "good old days" or the evils of a company want to cover costs.

Go use QCD or whatever you want. Nobody here gives a flying f***.

*whacked*

heres the url if it works http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=161279

if this keeps happening we are going to get a ton of users!

DeltaGuy

12-24-2003, 07:37 PM

if this keeps happening we are going to get a ton of users!
If we can promote ourselves a little bit more...
I didn't find out about QCD until someone in another forum said how much they hated the QCD, and I for some bizarre reason decided to try it out...

bmc152003

12-24-2003, 07:52 PM

If we can promote ourselves a little bit more...
I didn't find out about QCD until someone in another forum said how much they hated the QCD, and I for some bizarre reason decided to try it out...
i cant remember how i found out about qcd, i think i was just looking for an alternative to crappy winamp.

Heigar

12-26-2003, 12:38 PM

Quote by SAWG
"But, hey, do what you want. If you want to use an inferior player..."

I would like to know what part of QCD is inferior to winamp ,as far as I can see there isn't any .I think they are just running scared ,because their player has some major competition.Run, Nullsoft,Run!:D

Xymantix

12-26-2003, 05:46 PM

I would like to know what part of QCD is inferior to winamp ,as far as I can see there isn't any

Maybe they think it's inferior because you can't write programs for skins that set alarms, show clocks, and other extradinarily mundane things that aren't even close to being part of a music player. Yeah, it's cool that a WA skin shows a clock, and it's interesting but borderline annoying that the scripting engine changes the look of the player at night, but worse yet is that it's rare for a skinner to be able to handle the complicated code behind it all. Post after post on Deviant Art says "Well, I finished all the graphics, now if I could only find someone to code it for me..." If you're going to write that much code for a skin, why not just write your own player? Sheesh.

Heigar

12-26-2003, 07:27 PM

Maybe they think it's inferior because you can't write programs for skins that set alarms, show clocks, and other extradinarily mundane things that aren't even close to being part of a music player. Yeah, it's cool that a WA skin shows a clock, and it's interesting but borderline annoying that the scripting engine changes the look of the player at night, but worse yet is that it's rare for a skinner to be able to handle the complicated code behind it all. Post after post on Deviant Art says "Well, I finished all the graphics, now if I could only find someone to code it for me..." If you're going to write that much code for a skin, why not just write your own player? Sheesh.
It's just a lot of extra crap that bloats the hell out of the player.That's why I think QCD is inferior,it's the ease of bmp skinning compared to coding ,It's fast,and very stable(I don't think I have ever had QCD crash on me),and the sound quality is just amazing.Winamp and Sonique 2 go hand in hand in the complexity of building a skin,poor sound quality,and with all the xtra skin coding a lot more buggy(especially if the skinner doesn't know the coding very well).That's why QCD RULES!

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-27-2003, 11:56 AM

Heigar

12-27-2003, 12:24 PM

Roj

12-27-2003, 01:03 PM

There is just one thing i dont understand how people can state without doubt that sound quality from winamp is worse? Doesn't it depend mostly on the type of speakers you have and soundcard? If anyone has speakers 500 euro each and a top of the notch soundcard and can prove this is true, i will be convinced :)

In the mean time i use qcd before winamp for other reasons. You know what they are. ;)You most certainly don't need $500 speakers but you do need reasonably good ones. The same goes for the sound card. For example, recently I was at a friend's house listening to APE and MP3 on his rig. I was hard pressed to tell the difference. The catch? Cheapie Logitech Z-340s and onboard crap for sound. He couldn't understand what I was telling him about audio quality differences. So, he came to my house and listened to my Revo / Planar Media 14s and left a believer. My rig did NOT cost $500 total for both the speakers and sound card - my guess is that it wouldn't exceed $200 Euros.

The same applies to players - play them on a decent rig and the difference is a lot easier to hear than if you play them (like most do) on crap.

It's all in knowing what to buy and not being conned by the vendors, be they selling hardware or software.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

12-27-2003, 02:49 PM

run both players with default settings load the same song on both ,play a clip from QCD then play the same clip in winamp,then you tell me you can't tell the difference in Quality.Even with crappy speakers and soundcard.:)

Im sorry, but i cant :D. But then again i have an onboard cmedia soundchip CMI 8738 and crappy speakers. So it proves im not very concerned with superduper audio quality. And so i will not continue this discussion. I guess just made a mistake by assuming the majority of people do not posess one of the best soundcards and good speakers.

peace :)

Roj

12-27-2003, 03:27 PM

I guess just made a mistake by assuming the majority of people do not posess one of the best soundcards and good speakers.
You're dead right with your assumption. Just look at who rules the sound card market: Creative Labs.

'nuff said right there...

Young Twig

12-27-2003, 03:30 PM

run both players with default settings load the same song on both ,play a clip from QCD then play the same clip in winamp,then you tell me you can't tell the difference in Quality.Even with crappy speakers and soundcard.:)
Yeah. I did this the other day. It was really obvious with a song called "Flight Of The Damaged" that came with FruityLoops.

sld

12-27-2003, 03:31 PM

Young Twig

12-27-2003, 03:33 PM

I'm actually quite ashamed, coming from the same country as Creative.
My next card is going to be un-Creative.
My next speakers are definitely going to be un-Creative.

Who cares about the lack of Creativity? :D
I have some ghetto sound card hooked up to a decent Pioneer stereo which is hooked up to some 50 year old speakers from Germany.

Heigar

12-27-2003, 03:37 PM

My next card isn't going to be Creative either,But i'll keep my klipsch promedia 2.1's though.