Saddam Captured!

[chicubs]

Great Christmas present for everyone in Iraq and the coalition armed forces. A toast to those who lost their life in Iraq. Thank you so much for what you are doing...you guys/gals are great. I cant imagine what its like...Thank you for making me feel a little bit safer. Now lets get Osama!!!

[bmc152003]

that stupid coward, hiding in a hole covered with a rug... i hope we kill him

[-swt-]

i do hope someone will kill George W. Bush jr. because he's the real coward...

well... Saddam isn't a good person, but GWB jr. isnt too.
i dont like Saddam, but i do hate George W. Bush jr.

and i realy do hope, that the "next" President of the US will not be George W. Bush jr. again.

just my 2 euro-cent

[chicubs]

i do hope someone will kill George W. Bush jr. because he's the real coward...

well... Saddam isn't a good person, but GWB jr. isnt too.
i dont like Saddam, but i do hate George W. Bush jr.

and i realy do hope, that the "next" President of the US will not be George W. Bush jr. again.

just my 2 euro-cent

whatever....hes not the best president but he definately doesnt deserve to be killed.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

that stupid coward, hiding in a hole covered with a rug... i hope we [=americans?] kill him

Forget it. America will not get a chance to do so. It will only cause the american-iraqi-international relations to deteriorate even more. I'm sure the people from Iraq will be allowed put him to justice themselves (with a little international help). They will probably kill him nevertheless :D

[Qaz]

i do hope someone will kill George W. Bush jr. because he's the real coward...

well... Saddam isn't a good person, but GWB jr. isnt too.
i dont like Saddam, but i do hate George W. Bush jr.

and i realy do hope, that the "next" President of the US will not be George W. Bush jr. again.

just my 2 euro-cent
I'm with you here. Well, except for the killing. Death penalty and killing in general is something I don't endorse.

[bmc152003]

Forget it. America will not get a chance to do so. It will only cause the american-iraqi-international relations to deteriorate even more. I'm sure the people from Iraq will be allowed put him to justice themselves (with a little international help). They will probably kill him nevertheless :D
yes i ment coallition forces (im from usa) im sorry if my post offended you guys

i know it wont happen but IMHO it would be nice

[-swt-]

whatever....hes the best president but he definately doesnt deserve to be killed.

the best president ?! aha... well... so you think War is good ?!...
the USA killed many ppl in Afghanistan and in Iraq... sure, some realy bad ppl. but many civilian too... too much civilian for my taste...
too many for a clean war...

they(the US-Army aka GWB jr.) know only words like : Bomb, kill, erase, eliminate etc...

the US-Army bombs parts of Afghanistan and Iraq back to the stone age. and after they did, they want help from other countrys, to help those ppl with food and materials to rebuild their houses/lifes...

well... great strategy... first bomb them back to stonage, and after that fake the Rescuer... the Hero...
thats soooooooo great... :mad:

p.S: sry for my bad grammar/spelling

p.p.S: IMvHO Bill Clinton was a great President... of course he had some faults... but he was 1k-times better than GWB jr. is

[chicubs]

the best president ?! aha... well... so you think War is good ?!...
the USA killed many ppl in Afghanistan and in Iraq... sure, some realy bad ppl. but many civilian too... too much civilian for my taste...
too many for a clean war...

they(the US-Army aka GWB jr.) know only words like : Bomb, kill, erase, eliminate etc...

the US-Army bombs parts of Afghanistan and Iraq back to the stone age. and after they did, they want help from other countrys, to help those ppl with food and materials to rebuild their houses/lifes...

well... great strategy... first bomb them back to stonage, and after that fake the Rescuer... the Hero...
thats soooooooo great... :mad:

p.S: sry for my bad grammar/spelling

p.p.S: IMvHO Bill Clinton was a great President... of course he had some faults... but he was 1k-times better than GWB jr. is

lol, sorry I ment hes NOT the greatest president...im not really for the war in iraq. Bush's dead shouldve captured sadam in the 90's when he was a threat to world when he tried to go all HItler on everyone.

Clinton was a shitty president for obvious reasons...but also he did not do a single thing about terrorism. After the bombings he fired a few cruise missiles at the afghan's huts, which can be rebuilt in less than a month,

,,,you, as an austrian, have no right to talk about any other country. You just sat back and watched while your fellow europeans suffered at the hands of hitler. I dont understand why europeans hate Bush with such passion. Worse than Saddam? Give me a break...Last I heard, Bush didnt gas his own people.

You know war still exsists...it never disappearred. In war there will always be civilian casulties....In WW2 there was no such thing as prescion bombing people just bombed everything in site. At least they are trying to not bomb civilians. Of course I dont like that, who does.

You obviously have no idea about the army if you think they are just a killing machine. I dont want to continue this arguement any further because its going to become a flame war between US vs anti-us.

[Young Twig]

-swt-,
He's just plain George W. Bush. His dad is osomething like George H. Bush. So, he's not a junior.

[refused]

"If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize -- very publicly and very sincerely -- to all the widows and orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce that America's global military interventions have come to an end. I would then inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but -– oddly enough -– a foreign country. Then I would reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings, invasions and sanctions. There would be enough money. One year of our military budget is equal to more than $20,000 per hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born.

That's one year.

That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated."

-William Blum http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/ideas/blum_0803.html

[chicubs]

American Imperialism...oddly enough I though the British were the imperialists...too idealistic of a quote

[georgiek50]

I think that politicians should come in cycles...wipe them all out when they have become VERY corrupted, eg. now (worldwide I might add) then throw in new ones who will try to do something good and their drive will be the previous politicians' corruption. Once they get corrupted, dig a hole, bury them, and start over...I hate war, death, and politics...too many lives lost throughout history and mostly to benefit the few.

[refused]

American Imperialism...oddly enough I though the British were the imperialists...too idealistic of a quote

And interestingly enough, the British are the other major force in this ridiculous coalition of the "willing". The quote is hardly too idealistic; especially as a simple point about a war built on a platform of laughable American idealism.

On a final note, if you don't see Americans as the quintessential (excuse the pun :p) imperialist nation, forgive me, but you're blind.

EDIT: Listen dude, I apologize, I don't think either of us want this to turn into an argument about the war, because we know they are pointless. So let's agree to disagree instead of making enemies :) Back to topic: I'm glad they caught Saddam, because he did gas his own people.

[maresias]

First of all,I know your need of safety chicubs.We all felt that in Turkey with the earthquakes and terror in istanbul (bombs everywhere) and izmir(3,5 kgs of C4 found with plans to bomb everywhere)...

What I think is,I guess everyone knows that Saddam is a mistake of America's external strategy.What I observe is a "doctor kills frankenstein and calms down the crowd" thing.And I do not believe that the one caught was Saddam,the man has tens of copies.The following days will show it (an audio-video proof of Saddam,still living).They say the DNA was corrected.Would you think you would know when spaceship Hubble goes out the Solar System and finds out that we're in a tooth of a giant Human like creature,and Hubble takes the photos of the outside world getting out of the mouth?;) ..Of course you wouldn't.Then the best graphic artist would be hired to create the most beauuuutiful and realistic views of space until they (most probably America) make sure that the world outside is safe.If it's not,they would like to try to bring democracy and love to the people of that world...the story goes on.But one thing for sure is missing,there's no thoughts of public in this act.I don't think american publicity thinks parallel to GWB about the war.On the other hand,the people we lost,not as Turkey,as Turkish citizens,in the last 10 years to terror (which Europe didn't want to accept the groups as terrorists) and the struggle on the mountains inside the Turkish boundaries against Kurds is much more than that of America lost in Iraque.I'm really sorry for every human being that died in these situations.But what we observe is America is leaving the place to Kurds.So why did all these people die?..Needed to be mentioned,the majority in Turkey does NOT want a war,careful:between noone in the world..However,there're at least 60 million people who are ready everyday to join a war when our freedom is touched.War's not good,but it's the action-reaction rule of physics.But in this case I see an ugly touch to freedom (america) which I felt deep sadness for the people died in the case,but I'm not sure of a target which is choosen in 2 days.
-BANG!
-ARrggh who is it?...Well,people,ofcourse we know who it is..it's Saddam,Usame,Muslims,Petrol..(cough)..sorry.

I have no offence here to anyone,since I'm a complete anti-rasist.I still dream of a world of no religion,politics,boundaries;If there's only one side,would there be wars?

[Heigar]

I'm from the United states and they should have captured Saddam back in the 90's when we had proof of weapons of mass destruction,ever since the war began until now I have seen no proof that anybody has even found the tiniest little trace of those sort of weapons, and if they did or do ,we can only blame our government because 85% of those came from us(proven fact).As far as Saddam is concerned they should let the people of Iraq give him is punishment for all the terrible things he has done to his own people.

As for Afghanistan if they want to harbor terrorists than they should pay the consequences.After what the terrorists did here in the United States,I have no sympathy for countries that harbor them!

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Now we'll have to wait and see if the stories about weapons of mass destruction are really true. Whether, Saddam confesses or not, other captives may. If however, still no signs are found to the location of weapons of mass destruction, America will have played its last card for justifying the war. Nevertheless, lets hope the future of Iraq is a prosperous and democratic one.

[chicubs]

And interestingly enough, the British are the other major force in this ridiculous coalition of the "willing". The quote is hardly too idealistic; especially as a simple point about a war built on a platform of laughable American idealism.

On a final note, if you don't see Americans as the quintessential (excuse the pun :p) imperialist nation, forgive me, but you're blind.

EDIT: Listen dude, I apologize, I don't think either of us want this to turn into an argument about the war, because we know they are pointless. So let's agree to disagree instead of making enemies :) Back to topic: I'm glad they caught Saddam, because he did gas his own people.

dont worry about it. The reason I say its too idealistic is that the President does not have all the decision making power. Congress must also approve, so blaming Bush solely is not a smart thing to do. Also decisions like that dont happen in a few days. Lowering the military budget is idiotic also because you put people out of work (prof. army) and you cannot have a country with no defenses. The US isnt the only country who goes to war. Also its only the popular presidents who are killed (lincoln, kennedy) The only part I really took offense to was the whole "blind" thing. I dont know where you are from but I am willing to bet your country has major flaws too.

[DeltaGuy]

"If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize -- very publicly and very sincerely -- to all the widows and orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce that America's global military interventions have come to an end. I would then inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but -– oddly enough -– a foreign country. Then I would reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings, invasions and sanctions. There would be enough money. One year of our military budget is equal to more than $20,000 per hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born.

That's one year.

That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated."

-William Blum http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/ideas/blum_0803.html
/me claps and then quickly shuts up...
Political Discussions ALWAYS turn into flame wars...
Oh, what I could say if I got involved...
Of course we'd have to change the name of this from from "Quintessential Community" to "Quintessential Gang Wars"...
/me will just stay in Canada *feels all warm and cuddly*

[refused]

dont worry about it. The reason I say its too idealistic is that the President does not have all the decision making power. Congress must also approve, so blaming Bush solely is not a smart thing to do. Also decisions like that dont happen in a few days. Lowering the military budget is idiotic also because you put people out of work (prof. army) and you cannot have a country with no defenses. The US isnt the only country who goes to war. Also its only the popular presidents who are killed (lincoln, kennedy) The only part I really took offense to was the whole "blind" thing. I dont know where you are from but I am willing to bet your country has major flaws too.

Yes, I regret calling you blind, there are certainly better ways of saying something like that. Again, my sincere apologies for that ignorant remark. And you're right, I agree with most everything you've just said. I am from Canada, btw :)

[-swt-]

i know its old, but its still cool :cool:

www.google.com/.at/.de/.fr/.tk/.se/.it(whatever) :p

Search-String : weapons of mass destruction

Result : Cannot find Weapons of Mass Destruction (http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/) :D
just read the whole page ;)

[BC-A]

I am personnaly getting tired of liars, specially around this Irak war.
- Massive destruction weapons args were a liar
- The famous GI girl saving was a liar
- Saddam Hussein args of being linked to ben laden were a liar
- The GIs letter to families was a liar (or at least a manipulation)
- The bombing of the journalist's hotel was a liar...
- etc.

I am so tired of these that I am now even doubting that this is the real Saddam Hussein that was captured. This is too big. Just before Xmas, when attacks against the coalition are raging, the 750.000$ found with the guy that was supposed to have a great network to escape... I can't believe it... Either this is a copy of Saddam Hussein and/or this was prepared for weeks as a communication plan.

Or may be am I just turning to a sceptic schizo :confused: :D

[DeltaGuy]

And you're right, I agree with most everything you've just said. I am from Canada, btw :)
Our flaw, we appoligize for everything, even if we're right...

[refused]

Our flaw, we appoligize for everything, even if we're right...

LOL! :D Too true!

[-swt-]

aerm... do you know the Reason for WorldWar 1 ?!...

28th June 1914 : a serbian Partisan killed the austrian successor to the throne, Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand and his Wife in Sarajewo...

just to mention it...

silent greets

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

i know its old, but its still cool :cool:

www.google.com/.at/.de/.fr/.tk/.se/.it(whatever)

Search-String : weapons of mass destruction

Result : Cannot find Weapons of Mass Destruction (http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/) :D
just read the whole page ;)

LOOOOOOL. This is the best joke i've ever seen. You know any other sites like this?
:D

[chicubs]

Yes, I regret calling you blind, there are certainly better ways of saying something like that. Again, my sincere apologies for that ignorant remark. And you're right, I agree with most everything you've just said. I am from Canada, btw :)

no prob. we're all friends here :) Thats what I love about this board. No fighting, flaming...one of a kind.

[-swt-]

LOOOOOOL. This is the best joke i've ever seen. You know any other sites like this?
:D

of course :rolleyes:

www.google.com/.at/.de/.fr/.tk/.se/.it(whatever)

Search-String : miserable failure

1. Result : Biography of President George W. Bush

and how this works : Google Bombing (http://www.wordspy.com/words/Googlebombing.asp)

silent greets :cool:

[Hanzo]

hey -swt- the joke is pretty cool ! :)

Well back on topic, I'm no fan of politics, weather or news as a fact. I live day by day and I'm informed of the most relevant news in my country by my friends, family or any fellow willing to share the last bit of info on the street.

As for Saddam... well I am really happy they caught him or whatever. I am not sure if they caught him or he got tired of running. Now Osama is left...

[philipptr]

,,,you, as an austrian, have no right to talk about any other country. You just sat back and watched while your fellow europeans suffered at the hands of hitler.

:mad: i dont think anyone of the people who are here lived at the time of 2ww
i hate it when you judge us for the 2ww WE did nothing. THEY were nazis... (even not all of the ones lived back then were nazis)
if a american walks with a flag through new york its patriotism, if a german would does the same hes a nazi...

[MadRocketeer]

chicubs,

It's not like the Austrains had much of choice; Germany was becoming something akin to a superpower in terms of economy, industry and military, while the Austrians was still crawling in pain after the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the League of Nations sanctions. It's a simple choice: either Hitler walked it, or Hitler rolled in (with tanks).

I have also been informed by Austrians, who had in a typical fashion flooded into this beautiful little country of mine (New Zealand) over (OUR) summer that Austrians today feel much the same way for the Germans as we do for those friggin Ockers in the west, and probably Canadians do for Americans - not very fondly at all...

He had every right to talk about other countries other than his own, and you have every right to respond. Unlike the perception of some Americans, the US of A is NOT the only democratic country in the world, and so the gud ol' Yankland is not the only place where Free Speech is available in bite sizes for $0.00. Both Austria and New Zealand have that too. In fact, I think my sweet Godzone is nowadays more democratic than that place where people keep asking God to bless their country.

So, my opinions on these matters?
9-11: I am SOOOOO glad I live in New Zealand
War in Afghanistan: US had every right to find someone to blame for 9-11
America: The world is my playground, and America is just Disneyland.
US Foreign policy: I just think you Americans just don't like being told what to do, but would rather tell others what to do.
Bush: he looks like a Christmas elf.
War in Iraq: All reservations were purely economic. It ended within the 3-week deadline without glitch, and for that I'm satisfied.
Good & Evil: I don't believe in such a thing. There is only D,A & C: Decision, Action and Consequences
Post-war deaths: You Americans got yourselves into this mess, and Iraqis expected you to be like Superman. Iraq's your problem now, and problems are to be solved.
Saddam: should've got him back in the 90's, or stuck a laser-guided rocket propelled grenade up his ass and be over with it instead of this stupid money-wasting war.

[Todd The Kiwi]

you're getting quite adventurous considering you've only made 3 posts here. :eek: that's one of the biggest threads i've seen for a while too

[-swt-]

well... great posting MadRocketeer ! :cool:


and "btw." : http://www.bushin30seconds.com/


silent greets

[Todd The Kiwi]

well... great posting MadRocketeer ! :cool:


and "btw." : http://www.bushin30seconds.com/


silent greets

how'd you find that man ? i've sent it to about 10 people so far and i'm getting some cool feedback

not so silent greets :D

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

that place where people keep asking God to bless their country.

lol, you mean that place where Bush keeps asking God to bless his country. it's probably his only way of ending any speech he makes, if he is no more allowed to end his speeches this way, he'd have to go on talking forever :D

[Matt]

well... great posting MadRocketeer ! :cool:


and "btw." : http://www.bushin30seconds.com/


silent greets


these videos are incredible... now if they only aired on TV.

my 2cents: If I were american i would surly try and correct the wrongs of bush by voting against him this year. Americans are going to be bombarded with a monumental amount of GWB propaganda in the next few months, and its up the american public to educate themselves enough to see through all. These commericals are a great help in showing the reality of the situation.

Even considering the last US election, I believe that democracy can still work.

[-swt-]

*fully.agree.with.Matt* :cool:

BUT !

GWB already won a Voting without having the most votes...
and i think "they" could do that again... but i realy hope, that "they" dont...

silent greets

[#The fREaK!]

A guy called zdflamer2 attached this (http://ppm.cncguild.net/forum/download.php?id=2035) to a post in the humor forum at Project Perfect Mod.

[-swt-]

@ #The fREaK! :

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Sorry but you are not authorized to view or download this Attachment


so, if you could download and upload it on your webspace pls !
or send it to me : silentwaters@gmx.at and i upload it on mine ! ;)
i hope, that this is only a image or a small movie...

silent greets :cool:

[Heigar]

madrocketeer:

I live in the US and you have made some good points

1:9-11 was not a pretty sight,and the war in afghanistan wasn't against the afghan people,but terrorists(al-qada).In which I was all for.
2:I disagree with the war in iraq(but it wouldn't have made a difference anyway),like you said we should have brought saddam down back in the 90's when we had the proof and the chance!
3:now bush wants to go after every country that harbors terrorists,what kind of solution is it to attack a whole country instead of trying to work with the country?

I just don't want other countries judging all Americans ,because of the actions our president is taking!
Just my $.02 cents worth coming from an American!:D

[Hanzo]

@ #The fREaK! :




so, if you could download and upload it on your webspace pls !
or send it to me : silentwaters@gmx.at and i upload it on mine ! ;)
i hope, that this is only a image or a small movie...

silent greets :cool:

Is there anything in your life that is not "silent"... :D
silent waters, silent greets, silent hill, silent steel... the list goes on and on...

LOL !!! just kidding man... keep silent

[Todd The Kiwi]

Is there anything in your life that is not "silent"... :D
silent waters, silent greets, silent hill, silent steel... the list goes on and on...

LOL !!! just kidding man... keep silent

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha THAT is funny man :D

[MadRocketeer]

Todd;

That's the way I am. If some people don't like the things I say (not you, Todd), don't listen. It's like a TV Infomercial:
"...elsewhere you might have to pay the prices ranging from: prison, expulsion or even a bullet in your head, but call 0800-KISS MY ASS now to get your "Free Speech" Megaphone sent to you for $0.00!!! But wait!!! If you call within the next 20 minutes, we'll throw in a "STFU" Mouth Apple FOR FREE!!! All our products come with a 30-day money back guarantee, and should you not be satisfied with the product you can return it to us for a full refund, and you can keep the "STFU" Mouth Apple as our gift to you!!! (packaging, delivery fees and GST not included, terms and conditions apply)"

Heigar;

1) Yes, I'm glad you make the distinction, unlike some people, like those tatseless "Lake America" and "Nuclear Weather Forcast" BS on www.fuckosama.com
2) So the question comes: why didn't they?
3) Well, it's not really practical to work with a country if that country doesn't want to work with you, but diplomacy should be the first step in any anti-terrorism efforts - it costs 80 billion to bomb the shit out of a country, it costs nothing to belch out a few words.

[Heigar]

Heigar;

1) Yes, I'm glad you make the distinction, unlike some people, like those taseless "Lake America" and "Nuclear Weather Forcast" BS on www.fuckosama.com (http://www.fuckosama.com/)
2) So the question comes: why didn't they?
3) Well, it's not really practical to work with a country if that country doesn't want to work with you, but diplomacy should be the first step in any anti-terrorism efforts - it costs 80 billion bomb the shit out of a country, it costs nothing to belch out a few words.to answer #1:It's those people that give all Americans a bad name and worldly outlook
to answer #2 : I have no Idea why,pure stupidity,and that's not an excuse
I don't make excuses for the actions of my country
#3:agree with you 100%

[chicubs]

madrocket, that is a pathetic way of talking. You would jsut let someone run right up your ass? I dont think so. If they had any pride they wouldve have fought. Ya, Ya, you might say that I would say something different in that situation, but i dont think so. The Brits didnt seem to have a single change in the War of Britain (i forgot the name of the battle: the one where Germany tried to invade Britain by air) but the RAF held there ground and kicked the nazi's asses....Now to explain why i brought up this off topic discussion:

I brought this up because im sick of people generalizing about the US. I lived in Europe for 11 years so I have a generally good idea of how Americans are treated/viewd over there. There seems to be a generation in europe which seems to hate Americans (generalization, but mostly accurate). In my neightborhood a boy was slapped because he was american. That isnt made up. The man heard heard the boy speaking english, went up to him and asked where he was from and the boy answered "the US" and the man promptly slapped him! I understand hating some policies of the US, but there is no reason for such deep hatred. The US hasnt done anything against the Netherlands and yet a lot of people feel the need to hate on americans of all ages. I too have had to deal with this there....so, I brought the austrian topic up out of anger and i should not have said anything about it as 50 years ago is 50 years ago.

I believe everything else you said except for the comment about Bush and good and evil. First of all, he doesnt look like an elf, he looks like a "cuddely old grandfather" according to my sister :p I do believe in good and evil, though. True, its all in the eyes of the beholder, but I believe in some common principles...which im too lazy to go into
:D
philiptr, im half german and my grandfather served (reluctantly, his family was threatened) in the nazi army. I do admit i have some bitter feelings about the whole thing. I wish he would half stood up to the nazi's, but then again, he would be dead, his family, and wouldnt even have been born.

On to Bush...
Most people complain about him, but I thought he was doing a really good job in the beginning. President Clinton would have done absolutely nothing about 9-11...well, he wouldve sent cruise missles into the mud huts, which can be rebuilt in a week like he did following the several embassy bombings. I am proud that Bush had the balls to go into afghanistand and f*ck up al qaeda....BUT, that war will not have succeeded till Bin Laden's head is displayed for everyone to see.

Al Gore is the most boring man on earth and does not represent any american in any way....ok, thats probably true of Bush, but I really, really didnt like Al Gore.

Talking about Propaganda? Bush's rival is mud slininging machine Howard Dean who loves to contradict himself. Sounds like he is having an arguement with himself. hes an idiot and definately someone who i dont want running the gov.

To get a better president we need to make it so becoming president doesnt mean you have to have billions of dollars in order to campaign successfully....i have no idea how to solve this or who else would be a decent candidate. There are so few to pick out of the multibillionsaires.

As for the Iraq war. I never really was for it or against. I have the same belief as madrocket on the war.

[MadRocketeer]

chicubs,

Like I said, the Austrains had a simple choice: either Hitler walked in and stuck a swaztika flag and say "Deutchland", or he soundly beat the shit, the anus AND the oesophagus out of the little that was left of the Austrian army into an indistinguishable heap of paper mache-like substance, then stuck in the swaztika flag, and say "Deutchland". There are battles than can be won, and ones that cannot. It was better for the Austrians to go out quickly and quietly rather than stand up in a completely futile fight. I think the Austrian government did what was the best for its people.

Britain, however was virtually an island fortress, and had the industrial and military power of a whole British Empire and the Commonwealth to back them. They fought because they knew even though they were outnumbered and outgunned, they were in a very strong defensive position, and the Battle of Britain could be won. Besides, Hitler was in fact Austrian-born, so he wouldn't send (non-Jew) Austrians to concentration camps or anything.

Those kinda people you spoke of are just pathetic, miserable sods with too much time on their hands and little life to use them. I personally don't agree with certain aspects of American foreign policy, but just yesterday I was hanging out with a bunch of American kids who came over here to escape the New York cold at The Bog just fine. Those the kind of people that gives Europeans a bad name, not that I care cos I'm a Downunder...

edit: LOL @ your sister... :D

[-swt-]

Is there anything in your life that is not "silent"... :D
silent waters, silent greets, silent hill, silent steel... the list goes on and on...

LOL !!! just kidding man... keep silent

http://home.pages.at/ashtaroth/gfx/Smilies/bigyellow-whistling.gif
well... i'm a shy type.. so i think my nick is fitting realy well !

sth. that is not silent in my life... http://home.pages.at/ashtaroth/gfx/Smilies/thinking.gifwell... the music i'm listening to http://home.pages.at/ashtaroth/gfx/Smilies/metal-headbang.gif

sry for off-topic :-(

silent gr... erm... dark greets }:-]

onTopic AddOn :
i fully agree with MadRocketeer...
and i think too, that it was better to surrender than fighting against Hitler.
The Austrian "Army"(just lol) cant even kill any Fighter, Tank or Infanterist today... (IMvHO)
well... the STG45 is not bad.. but back in the 1940's we didn't had them :-/

(well... pls excuse my bad english... i think, that the text above is full of grammatical mistakes)

[Todd The Kiwi]

(well... pls excuse my bad english... i think, that the text above is full of grammatical mistakes)

my austrian is terrible man , i'm sure no one minds :D

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(well... pls excuse my bad english... i think, that the text above is full of grammatical mistakes)

my austrian is terrible man , i'm sure no one minds :D
Ya meine Deutsch ist nichts besonderes... (is that how ya spell that.... its meant to mean the same as special...)
So in other words, don't worry bout ya english, cos it aint ya native tongue.

[Todd The Kiwi]

So in other words, don't worry bout ya english, cos it aint ya native tongue.
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true mate we are all "friends " here and how could one judge another buy which language he is speaking,
we can't (and don't). speak freely and out loud :D in your native tongue if you wish,
although you will confuse us mono lingual types ????
ha ha i used to "spreken ze doitch" but it's all gone now :confused:
ha ha aussies don't speak good english either ! ha ha ha (joking hedge :p )

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true mate we are all "friends " here and how could one judge another buy which language he is speaking,
we can't (and don't). speak freely and out loud :D in your native tongue if you wish,
although you will confuse us mono lingual types ????
ha ha i used to "spreken ze doitch" but it's all gone now :confused:
ha ha aussies don't speak good english either ! ha ha ha (joking hedge :p )
lol... its probably quite true... i tell ya, yr 12 pes english this year (wait its already last year... damm time flies) was an ASS... ahh well somehow i managed to pass... ;)

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Who would agree with me if i said that Bush should not be re-elected? An ambitious man, without the plan, hehe (c.f. his proposed manned mission to mars with engaging war in iraq).

[#The fREaK!]

Oops... Try this (http://www.tiberiumsun.com/forum/files/devils_tongue_shaver.jpg) link instead.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Hey cool man!

btw, you play c&c games? :D

[#The fREaK!]

How did you think I found it in the first place? :p
I am a TS modder and member of a few C&C related forums.

[MadRocketeer]

I'm a softcore C&C fan. Devil's Tongue is okay, but I prefer mass tick-tanks and artillery.

I also play Red Alert and Red Alert 2. Can't be bothered getting Generals, but that looked cool.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I've played and finished c&c tiberian sun, and then got hold of c&c renegade. The latter is a 1st person shooter in the world of c&c, with all the units and environments from tib. sun. I really liked it esp. when an enemy gets mutated in the tiberium :D and becomes a visceroid. Eeeew, icky stuff. Driving the tanks is also really neat.

[MadRocketeer]

Yeah, I heard of Renegae, but I am stuck between FPS-hardcores who say it sucks, and C&C-hardcores who say it rocks. Well, I dunno, I might get it on Classic or something, but I would probably rather spend my FPS budget on Halo or Half-Life 2 (when it comes out). For FPSs, I like Jedi Knight 1 & 2, Aliens vs Predator, Quake 3 and UT2002.

While the final Nod mission was kinda interesting with the timer and ICBMs and stuff, final GDI mission was ridiculously easy; I just stormed in with an army of Titans backed by some hovercrafts and I just smashed everything in my path.

[Matt]

you guys might want to make a new thread.. it's getting wildly off topic.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Who would agree with me if i said that Bush should not be re-elected? An ambitious man, without the plan, hehe (c.f. his proposed manned mission to mars with engaging war in iraq).

To put it slightly back on topic :D

[MadRocketeer]

First he spent 80 billion on the war in Iraq, then he's spending 300 billion on upgrading the US military with stuff like F-22s, Commanches, JSFs, Paladin Howitzers, etc, and now he wants to spend trillions on going to the moon and putting men on Mars??!! Jeez, the US may have shitloads of dough stashed somewhere like Fort Knox or something, but I doubt the neither the US economy nor the American taxpayers have pockets THAT deep, especially when US economy is still weak, showing little signs of recovery from the 2002 recession, and the greenback is tumbling. Jeez, it's 68 cents Greenback to a Kiwi, for crying out loud!

Military analysts have long criticized the spending plans for the military projects above, of those, I say F-22 is alright, Commanches might be useful but not required, JSFs would be interesting, but that Paladin Howitzer totally suck and blow and not worth wasting money on.

Americans have a simple choice: stop this man or let him nosedive the country to bankruptcy. But then again, I think Americans may have much of the same problem we have here in New Zealand with our Prime Minister. Our Helen Clark may have an economic policy that wins votes, but overall I wouldn't say she is the most effective PM we ever had. But what choice do we really have? It's either her or the National Party's R-rolling farmer Bill English who doesn't know 90% of what he's talking about, who had now been replaced by Don Brash, a charismatic guy, but still essentially a political newby. Or maybe that "Chinese" Nazi Winston Peters from NZ First, or Richard Prebble of ACT who seemed to haven't quite made his mind whether he's left, right or center, or maybe those pot-smoking Greens. It's a political crisis! People shouldn't have to vote for one person simply because every other choices are weirdos, Nazis, potheads or just plain wrong!!

[chicubs]

Yah, he spends way too money...and dont want to hear about the amount of he is wasting on space...sickening. I aint paying those taxes....but who will we put in place of bush? Dean? Hell no. Could someone inform me on the rest of the candidates.

You have to give props (sorry for using those words, lol) to Bush for the way he handeled 9/11 internally and externally I thought he did a great job. Its the reason why bush does have the majority in his favor. Most people do remember their hairs raising when he spoke to the fire fighteres and police and they shouted his name........hes gone all downhill from there, though. Too bad, I like his personality.