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acushla
07-28-2005, 10:14 AM
I’ve just finished downloading and reading ‘Technology Overview: Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 for Windows Vista and Windows SP SP2.'

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/thankyou.aspx?familyId=718E9B3A-64FE-4A4C-9DDF-57AF0472EAD2&displayLang=en

Anybody who has been a forum member for anything more than a day and a half will know that I am definitely not the ‘go to guy’ when it comes to any technical oriented discussion concerning computers or browsers.

Having said that I thought it would be interesting for me to give my impressions after having read the article.

The first subject that is discussed (at some length) are the security improvements that are now incorporated in IE 7 Beta. Spyware protection, Adware protection and Protection against Data Theft from Fraudulent Web Sites are all highly touted.

As with most of my findings throughout the article, the majority of the ‘new’ features have already been incorporated in one form or the other in other browsers…OPERA, FIREFOX, MAXTHON, to name the three I am most familiar with. As for Spyware and Malware…well those are available as separate programs which by their nature integrate with whatever browser you are using.

The Data Theft of course is referring to 'phishing’, and I know FIREFOX have an add on to warn you of ‘phishing’ sites…and I am fairly certain OPERA has this feature as well.

The authors describe how the tool bar has now been simplified and made smaller…the stop and refresh button are now one and the same (!) and Internet Explorer 7 includes a new Toolbar Search Box…something all three of the browsers I mentioned earlier already have. The developers seem particularly proud of the fact that Internet Explorer 7 beta 1 provides a Delete Browsing History option that provides users with one-click cleanup. I know OPERA has this…and MAXTHON as well…which leads me to conclude that FIREFOX would have it as well.

The first feature I came across which I was not familiar with and so do not know if any other browser has is Shrink-to-Fit Printing As part of Microsoft’s efforts to simplify the common tasks that users perform every day, beta 1 will include enhanced functionality that makes it easier to print out a Web page. Today, apparently, a large number of Web pages do not print out correctly — for instance, the content at the left or right margin is cut off.

By default, the browser will shrink a Web page’s text just enough to ensure that the entire page prints properly, so users will no longer need to cut and paste to a text-editing program. (Yea!)

This seems like a good idea to me…although I cannot recall if I have ever printed out a web page…even if I have saved a number of them either as a document or a bookmark. Still, it is good to know that if I ever did want to print out a page it would do it right.

There is discussion of the new Auto Web Feed Detection for Easy Discovery and Selection of New Feeds …known to you and I as RSS (among others). I know OPERA has this because everytime I go to this website there is a blue RSS notification in the right edge of the address bar.

Finally, there is talk about Platform Enhancements aimed at Web Developers and Application Developers.

CSS improvements, Transparent PNG support and Administration improvements seem to be the three categories discussed…none of which I know anything about…so it will be up to Toe or Sheepeh to comment on this.

So…my conclusion?

My conclusion is if you really want to know what's going on you should read the article for yourself...do not take my word for it.

I will say this: If you are turned on by the fact that the Stop and Refresh button are now one and the same (a true breakthrough in browser design)...then IE 7 Beta was made just for you.

However, for those of us who are not insane, then all I can say is...

Nothing to see here, folks.

biggman15
07-28-2005, 10:25 AM
Shrink-to-Fit Printing

Opera has a similar Feature... Under the View Tab...
It's called "Fit to Window Width" Althought I don't think it's automatic.... And I don't know if It applies to Printing... Because I don't print from the Web...

I'm not interested in IE 7....

I will say this: If you are turned on by the fact that the Stop and Refresh button are now one and the same (a true breakthrough in browser design)...then IE 7 Beta was made just for you.


Nothing New... Opera Also does this....

Should we start a thread for Betting on the File Size.... IE6 was more than 100 Something Megs....

Hanzo
07-28-2005, 11:58 AM
Many of us in this forum probably will not make the change. I have yet to see what it offers before I can think of changing. For what I see it's not that impressive so it might not convince me to change.

Enhanced CSS and PNG support seems cool for web developers but not for me.

Who the heck prints out something directly from the web?

Tokelil
07-28-2005, 12:14 PM
What you fail to realise (apparently) is that all these cool features at last will get to the general public. (My parents and their friends and 75% of my friends who doesn't give a shit about what browser they use)
Sooo good to see Microsoft listens to what the user wants and bring it.

Btw. transparent png's is very nice to have finaly! :) About the improved css support I have head some evil rumors that it still won't be 100% w3c compatible. :(

acushla
07-28-2005, 01:03 PM
What you fail to realise (apparently) is that all these cool features at last will get to the general public.

Assuming that I am understanding your post correctly...I do not feel it fair for you to conclude that I do not think of IE 7 Beta as being worthwhile.

I think if you reread what I said I was comparing it to three other browsers that I have some knowledge of, all of which are used by the great majority of forum members.

As such I was curious to see if there were any features that were unique to IE that would warrant serious consideration to make a change.

Other than the Shrink to Wrap (which I now understand may be a feature of OPERA), I personally found none.

I took great care to make it clear that I knew nothing at all about what I will call the 'developers features'...so by default perhaps there were some outstanding features to be found in this area.

In my comparing IE 7 Beta's new features to existing browsers and finding nothing of note I concluded with...Nothing to see here.

Nothing to see here... should not be interpreted as a knock against IE 7 Beta...only that it holds no interest for somebody already using a browser that incorporates the 'new' features now found in IE. :foureyes:

Hanzo
07-28-2005, 01:12 PM
(My parents and their friends and 75% of my friends who doesn't give a shit about what browser they use)

About the improved css support I have head some evil rumors that it still won't be 100% w3c compatible. :(

It is 100% true that some people don't care what they are using as long as it 'works' hey I wished I could be like that. That's why Firefox won't get into the masses if they don't work out their kinks and display absolutely everything correctly.

Still no CSS W3C support? Well that's too bad... but as long as all the internet is W3C compliant this might not be too much of a deal.

Nick555
07-28-2005, 01:22 PM
Who the heck prints out something directly from the web?

Well I do! Right now I have several MS KB articles sitting on my desk for reference. :nervous:

Hanzo
07-28-2005, 01:33 PM
Well I do! Right now I have several MS KB articles sitting on my desk for reference. :nervous:

That is an exemption and is OK... can you fax them to us?

:silly:

Toe
07-28-2005, 02:12 PM
CSS improvements, Transparent PNG support and Administration improvements seem to be the three categories discussed…none of which I know anything about…so it will be up to Toe or Sheepeh to comment on this.
You rang?

Transparent PNGs. Groovy, they've finally decided to support web standards from 1996 (http://www.w3.org/Press/PNG-PR.en.html).

CSS improvements. Sounds good, learning CSS is what changed my attitude toward IE from 'prefer other browser' to 'despise it'. Now my opinion may swing back to what it was before. I'm just wondering how much 'improvement' we're looking at here, and how many sites will find themselves broken because of it.

There's one biggie that I haven't heard about, though: SVG. Anyone heard anything on that front?

But as for installing it on my comp, I won't because I can't. IE6 ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Microsoft has stuck webmasters with the task babysitting a browser that will probably be close to a decade old by the time it drops off the radar.

Nick555
07-28-2005, 02:40 PM
That is an exemption and is OK... can you fax them to us?

:silly:

...of course! :bandit:

Sheepeh
07-28-2005, 02:48 PM
They made it a private beta after pretty much promising a public one. Their changlog consists of "Improved such and such" rather than "Fixed the "guillotine" bug" or "Now renders CSS command xyz properly".

Besides, if people won't "upgrade" to Opera/Fox/Maxthon, what makes you think they'll upgrade to IE7. Apart from possibly not using XP, most lusers don't even know what WinUpdate is, they'll never see it.

Still, as long as MS don't try therir usual EEE tactics, it's a step in the right direction. Just as Toe said, IE 6 will be knocking around for many years to come and I doubt MS will be able to make people change any time soon.

Tokelil
07-28-2005, 05:10 PM
Besides, if people won't "upgrade" to Opera/Fox/Maxthon, what makes you think they'll upgrade to IE7. Apart from possibly not using XP, most lusers don't even know what WinUpdate is, they'll never see it.Well a lot might not look at WinUpdate but at least a lot will get it when Longhorn ships. Also I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft stuffed it down peoples throad because of security issues with IE6.

acushla
07-28-2005, 05:39 PM
There's one biggie that I haven't heard about, though: SVG. Anyone heard anything on that front?

This might interest you...

http://itproductguidebeta.infoworld.com/article/04/11/19/47OPstrategic_1.html

Toe
07-28-2005, 06:45 PM
This might interest you...

http://itproductguidebeta.infoworld.com/article/04/11/19/47OPstrategic_1.html
Eh, not really. :P

Most vector graphics editors have been able to export SVG for a while now. Adobe has had an SVG browser plugin for a while now too. Over on Linux, I'm pretty sure all the major desktop enviroments support SVG icons. And there's quite a few misc apps that support it, like the ones mentioned in that article.

I'm more interested in native browser support for it. There are some damn cool things you can do with it on a web page with SVG that are much more elegant (and in many cases more seamless) than with current methods. Opera's got SVG now, and Firefox will have it shortly. And IE...?

Shadowraven
07-29-2005, 06:14 AM
How nice that M$ decided to put these things in their new browser. Isn't it nice how they thought up these wonderful things?

Too bad it's only taken them 8 years or so to do what everyone else is already doing. I'd say it's long past time that they updated their browser so that it could even begin to try and match what's already out here. After all, M$ has already proven how dedicated they are to meeting their customer's needs, haven't they? :cheeky:

carbonize
07-31-2005, 07:18 AM
Well hopefully IE7 will have full (ish) support for CSS 2 and hopefully some of CSS level 3. Hopefully it will also have proper XML support. As for the anti phishing it apparently checks sites against a list of phishing sites MS will have on their servers which to me is useless as well as asking to be abused. Most phishing sites are hosted on websites that have been hacked. A lot of sites running Advanced Guestbook 2.2 (about 4 years old now) have been exploited and phishing pages uploaded to them. I have read the blurb for IE7 and there is nothing in there that the other two, Opera and Mozilla (possibly NS8) do not already have.

As a web designer/coder my biggest gripe with IE (and Opera now) is that it will accept sloppy HTML and CSS. There are a plethora of "web designers", and I use the term loosely, who seem to think IE is the only web browser and only check their work in it.

Qaz
07-31-2005, 09:39 PM
YI'm just wondering how much 'improvement' we're looking at here, and how many sites will find themselves broken because of it.
Here's a list of what they've got so far: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx

Overall nothing really new there (as has already been mentioned). but improvements on CSS support is definetly welcomed from web designers point of view.

Acushla: hit 'p' in you Opera for print preview.

Sheepeh
08-01-2005, 12:39 AM
It's Shift+P by default =)