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rendongx
12-06-2003, 03:00 AM
myie2 is the best browser i have used since 1999.
It's free.It has very great functions .Certainly it don't have the functions like cooking.:)
If you try it,i am sure that you won't be willing to use ie of microsoft.
Enjoy it.
myie2's homepage:http://www.myie2.com

Thanks u, the ones who answer my questions about QCD.
Regard this introduction as the present to everybody sincerely.
I have been used to listen to musics with QCD now .

Young Twig
12-06-2003, 03:13 AM
Personally, I use IE and like it a lot... I don't care about tabbed browsing and the like. But this belongs in the computers/software forum. ;)

-swt-
12-06-2003, 03:28 AM
hm... well... looks like Opera with an IE-Skin for me...

however, i do use Opera for over 3 Years, and i'm very happy with it.
espacially i like the Mouse-Gestures, the ability to use different skins with many different color-patterns

however, IMvHO Opera is one of the Best Browsers i've ever seen
development is quite good and bugfixes are done realy fast.

silent greets

regener8ed
12-06-2003, 05:19 AM
- i have preferred ie myself
For years; i actually like the fact that it's
Integrated into my operating system. i also think the
Rendering on ie has historically been the most coder-friendly. But i've
Evaluated some other
Browsers recently, and been very
Impressed with one in particular; i think it's a
Really nice 'upgrade' for people who are comfortable with ie, but
Desire the next evolution in browsing.

billy
12-06-2003, 05:54 AM
i am yet to see features in a browser that would cause me to say ie isnt good enough... especially since it is the standard for browsers today, and 99.999% of people use it (approx.) :D

Hanzo
12-06-2003, 06:04 AM
This thread smells like "browser wars" and here will come the people that say if you use IE you suck and if you use mozilla/gecko/firebird you rock.

Personally I use IE and I don't need anything else. It's good, looks nice on XP, it renders pages very well and can handle the ChannelAdvisor's Javascript (the web-based application I eat, dream and breathe at work) perfectly. As a fact, Opera cannot handle that application very well.

bonzo
12-06-2003, 07:50 AM
Sure IE works but the pop-ups drive me to distraction. Ive been using firebird just because it wont automatically try to install dialers/trojans like IE will (so its the underbelly of the internet but still..) /2c

-swt-
12-06-2003, 08:19 AM
well, Opera is not perfect... but IE isnt perfect too...
and of course, most people use the IE, cause all is fine... blabla...
the miss-interpretation of HTML-Code in the IE is terrible...
IE is the most used Browser, but cant manage the W3C-Stanards properly ?!... lol ?!...
Small "bugs" which are not fixed over years !!! no noob, which is new to programming would make so terrible faults.
Animated World in the right upper corner is sometimes still animated, after the page loaded successfully...
the progress-bar is still loading, after the page loaded successfully...

well... there are too much things i could list, but i dont have the time...

silent greets, a happy Opera User :cool:

p.S: from time2time i have to identify as IE-User to access some sides, so the worldwide-statistics cant be 100% correct...

Zayoos
12-06-2003, 10:13 AM
I'm 100% with -swt- :)
2 months ago I have tryed the Opera, after a few hours I've decided to never go back to IE :p
On one of polish web sites is a comparison of capabilitys of 3 most popular browsers in Poland: IE, Opera and Moziila. In my opinion Opera was the winner.
Link for anyone who know polish language:
http://www.softcoffee.net/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=11&meid=-1

-swt-
12-06-2003, 10:44 AM
All your Opera belong to us ! :D

well... i dont like IE, no, i hate it.
i like.. hm... i love Opera :p but of course, if there's a better browser, let me know
i've tried so much, and most of them was crap... firebird is quite nice(a bit like opera, integrated ad-blocker...) but indeed its not opera :o

silent greets

Zayoos
12-06-2003, 10:53 AM
Word :D

p.s. why I have to enter at least 10 characters in my post? :confused:

manymosi
12-06-2003, 11:33 AM
Here's a vote for MYIE2. It has never crashed on my system (XP Pro), Tabbed browsing and a pretty good pop up stopper does it for me.

Hanzo
12-06-2003, 05:27 PM
Well as I expected, all the Opera/Mozilla fans said that Opera/Mozila is the best for this and that blah blah blah and who uses IE is commiting a sin against the W3C or whatever for not using the "standards" and more blah blah blah

Be happy guys, use whatever browser you like. I like IE ! :D

Young Twig
12-06-2003, 06:27 PM
Sure IE works but the pop-ups drive me to distraction. Ive been using firebird just because it wont automatically try to install dialers/trojans like IE will (so its the underbelly of the internet but still..) /2c
www.bayden.com

Amazing pop-up blocker. IE only. ;)

Heigar
12-06-2003, 06:28 PM
Well as I expected, all the Opera/Mozilla fans said that Opera/Mozila is the best for this and that blah blah blah and who uses IE is commiting a sin against the W3C or whatever for not using the "standards" and more blah blah blah

Be happy guys, use whatever browser you like. I like IE ! :D
I have Firebird and I find myself using IE more than Firebird.There's alot of webpages I visit that display like crap in firebird and they call that the "standards"!

Young Twig
12-06-2003, 06:43 PM
I have Firebird and I find myself using IE more than Firebird.There's alot of webpages I visit that display like crap in firebird and they call that the "standards"!
yup. i agree with you. people are so caught up in gecko's w3c bull crap and the fact is:
most people design websites for IE. Meaning some of them will look like piss in Gecko browsers.

Sonik
12-06-2003, 07:28 PM
Unfortunately not every browser can be perfect. Considering Microsoft IE has been around for ages, of course it'll show most web pages correctly. Most sites are developed and tested with IE because the majority of users still use it. When I create sites, I try to keep everyone happy. Personally, I really like the features that Opera has to offer. It's the best alternative browser that I have used. I hope that they can improve it more to overcome IE.

DeltaGuy
12-06-2003, 09:16 PM
myie2 is the best browser i have used since 1999.
I have to admit myself that is isn't really that bad...

It's free.It has very great functions .
*cough* Firebird is free and has the exact same features as MyIE2...

If you try it,i am sure that you won't be willing to use ie of microsoft.
Nope, sorry, try it and you are *still* using "IE of Microsoft"...
It depends on using IE's rendering engine...
Basically, it's more of like a plugin for IE than actually a browser...

DeltaGuy
12-06-2003, 09:23 PM
I have Firebird and I find myself using IE more than Firebird.There's alot of webpages I visit that display like crap in firebird and they call that the "standards"!
I have yet to discover a webpage that does not correctly display in Firebird (but I know that they're out there......somewhere.........)...
Really people, the problem of pages displaying horribly in Firebird isn't near as widespread as people think it is...
If Web Page Writers weren't so lazy they could actually write pages that display correctly in BOTH IE and Firebird, but then they'd actually have to use HTML and other languages correctly, get rid of their coloured scrollbars, and actually test their pages in *MORE* than one browser...
The problem with people not writing pages that follow standards isn't that they cannot do so, or that their pages would really look any different, it's just that they are too lazy to follow them...

bonzo
12-06-2003, 11:42 PM
www.bayden.com

Amazing pop-up blocker. IE only. ;)

Why install a program on top of IE when its already integrated with other browsers? Pop up blocking still doesnt address the fact that spyware specifically targets IE. Gator, dialers etc.

Young Twig
12-07-2003, 12:38 AM
I have yet to discover a webpage that does not correctly display in Firebird (but I know that they're out there......somewhere.........)...
Really people, the problem of pages displaying horribly in Firebird isn't near as widespread as people think it is...
If Web Page Writers weren't so lazy they could actually write pages that display correctly in BOTH IE and Firebird, but then they'd actually have to use HTML and other languages correctly, get rid of their coloured scrollbars, and actually test their pages in *MORE* than one browser...
The problem with people not writing pages that follow standards isn't that they cannot do so, or that their pages would really look any different, it's just that they are too lazy to follow them...
Well, that's a moot point. A lot of web designers are lazy. What can you do about it? Nothing.

As a web designer, I use IE and Gecko for that purpose, but a lot of people don't. And that's the way it probably always will be.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't need jails, wars or anything else. But it doesn't matter because this is not an ideal world.

greatfujimori
12-07-2003, 12:55 AM
I use Avant Browser - it's got just about everything I want. Skins I can create on my own, pop-up blocking, flash blocking, and better speed than IE, I think.

The newest beta adds a lot of good features - URL aliases (so I can just type qcd or whatever short-cut I want to go to quinnware.com), customizeable search shortcuts (so I can just type g search term for a Google search, etc), and ad-banner blocking.

The way I see it is that there's no reason to not use Avant over IE. Even if you tihnk you don't need tabbed browsing or pop-up blocking, what's the harm in getting the nice features? I really see no sacrifice in using Avant at all.

Young Twig
12-07-2003, 03:43 AM
I use Avant Browser - it's got just about everything I want. Skins I can create on my own, pop-up blocking, flash blocking, and better speed than IE, I think.

The newest beta adds a lot of good features - URL aliases (so I can just type qcd or whatever short-cut I want to go to quinnware.com), customizeable search shortcuts (so I can just type g search term for a Google search, etc), and ad-banner blocking.

The way I see it is that there's no reason to not use Avant over IE. Even if you tihnk you don't need tabbed browsing or pop-up blocking, what's the harm in getting the nice features? I really see no sacrifice in using Avant at all.
Does avant run on the IE rendering engine?

Zayoos
12-07-2003, 07:45 AM
I have yet to discover a webpage that does not correctly display in Firebird (but I know that they're out there......somewhere.........)...
Really people, the problem of pages displaying horribly in Firebird isn't near as widespread as people think it is...
If Web Page Writers weren't so lazy they could actually write pages that display correctly in BOTH IE and Firebird, but then they'd actually have to use HTML and other languages correctly, get rid of their coloured scrollbars, and actually test their pages in *MORE* than one browser...
The problem with people not writing pages that follow standards isn't that they cannot do so, or that their pages would really look any different, it's just that they are too lazy to follow them...
Yep! I've readed "few" text's about it and you are right. Problem isn't in the browsers but in the web pages. Like you said: .....lazy page writers. :rolleyes:

Young Twig
12-07-2003, 02:39 PM
Yep! I've readed "few" text's about it and you are right. Problem isn't in the browsers but in the web pages. Like you said: .....lazy page writers. :rolleyes:
Yeah. But the thing is, there will probably always be lazy page writers, so, there will probably always be messed up pages. I wish there was only 1 rendering engine.

Heigar
12-07-2003, 04:07 PM
Does avant run on the IE rendering engine?
Yes avant uses the IE rendering engine.

Zayoos
12-07-2003, 05:16 PM
Yeah. But the thing is, there will probably always be lazy page writers, so, there will probably always be messed up pages. I wish there was only 1 rendering engine.
I wish there was only 1 language :D

Young Twig
12-07-2003, 05:46 PM
Yes avant uses the IE rendering engine.
That's what I thoguht.
I wish there was only 1 language :D
I dunno. Spanish is an easy A+ for me. :) Although I could use a free period.

Zayoos
12-07-2003, 06:18 PM
I dunno. Spanish is an easy A+ for me. :) Although I could use a free period.
I had 4+ on french class :D (in Poland the grades are: 1,2,3,4,5,(6) where the "6" is for people who learned over teaching program mostly)

Hanzo
12-07-2003, 11:35 PM
Hmm... I did downloaded Firebird and used for a couple of days. Here are my opinions.

It handles all the sites I visit regularly very well, no doubt about it. I couldn't feel a difference in "speed" against IE. All the pages load at the same speed, live websites and cached ones.

Looks kinda minimalistic, but it's nice. The only feature I liked was the "integrated pop-up blocker". The integrated google search function is nice but the search field is too small in my opinion. I tested the pop up blocking by surfing on some porno websites and it works great.

But, I'm thinking Firebird itself is not handling this nice feature, instead the integrated Google search function handles it. BTW this I have already on IE because I use the Google toolbar.

So, I went and deleted it... nothing outstanding or impressing for me about it. The "plugins" or the "extensions" are pretty nice... yeah, but I'm used to the normal functions, so they are not useful for me. And the skins aren't that great. They all look kinda the same, and IE supports this too via a little program or something...

Again, this is my personal opinion. And everyone can yell and scream that Gecko / Firebird / Opera is better and that won't change, I still use IE.

IE rulez ! :D

Hanzo
12-07-2003, 11:40 PM
I have yet to discover a webpage that does not correctly display in Firebird (but I know that they're out there......somewhere.........)...
Really people, the problem of pages displaying horribly in Firebird isn't near as widespread as people think it is...
Just check on some posts over here and you will see that this very same website was giving problems to Matt because Firebird could not display some stuff well. And users were complaining about it.

DeltaGuy
12-08-2003, 01:38 AM
And the skins aren't that great. They all look kinda the same, and IE supports this too via a little program or something...
There is Hotbar, the great adware KING...
I've used Hotbar back when I used IE...
It was pathetic...

Just check on some posts over here and you will see that this very same website was giving problems to Matt because Firebird could not display some stuff well. And users were complaining about it.
He seems to have corrected the website to display correctly in both browsers now. Congrats on making a website that both browsers can view...

Hanzo
12-08-2003, 01:58 AM
There is Hotbar, the great adware KING...
I've used Hotbar back when I used IE...
It was pathetic...
I did not knew it was Hotbar... man that sucks !
Well I guess no skins on IE for me...:(

DeltaGuy
12-08-2003, 11:22 AM
Hmm... I did downloaded Firebird and used for a couple of days. Here are my opinions.

It handles all the sites I visit regularly very well, no doubt about it. I couldn't feel a difference in "speed" against IE. All the pages load at the same speed, live websites and cached ones. So no problems with its rendering engine for you at least...

Looks kinda minimalistic, but it's nice. The only feature I liked was the "integrated pop-up blocker". The integrated google search function is nice but the search field is too small in my opinion. I tested the pop up blocking by surfing on some porno websites and it works great. Minimalistic? Why so? It has more features than other browsers. You do realize that you can customize and add more toolbars to it. Of course, sometimes a simple interface is good. Expanding the search field, which can search more than just Google, but literally hundreds of different websites, not all search engines, some news, financial, reference, and download websites. Here's a List (http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html)...

But, I'm thinking Firebird itself is not handling this nice feature, instead the integrated Google search function handles it. BTW this I have already on IE because I use the Google toolbar. Trust me, this feature was developed by the Firebird Team, not Google (which sort of stole the idea for an integrated search bar and popup blocking off us, but they'll never admit it). There is no Google software in Firebird at all, everything is made by us, the community. And if you like using Spyware in your Web Browser, then that's your choice...

So, I went and deleted it... nothing outstanding or impressing for me about it. The "plugins" or the "extensions" are pretty nice... yeah, but I'm used to the normal functions, so they are not useful for me. And the skins aren't that great. They all look kinda the same Come on, out of the Huge List (http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions/) of Firebird Extensions, there have to be at least three or four that you like. If you kept using them, you'd get used to them. Trust me, I used to be just like you, you get used to the extensions. And why do you think all the themes look alike? They all look extremely different. For example, look at the Three Themes I have attached to this post, along with This Theme (http://home.comcast.net/%7Elynchknot/saf09.jpg) and This Theme (http://home.comcast.net/%7Eno404/gantsgt.png), with were too large to post. You can't tell me that they look the same at all. Look at the theme directories Here (http://home.comcast.net/%7Elynchknot/fthemes.html), Here (http://texturizer.net/firebird/themes/), and Here (http://www.phoenity.com/firebird.html). The themes located here look QUITE different...

Again, this is my personal opinion. And everyone can yell and scream that Gecko / Firebird / Opera is better and that won't change, I still use IE.

IE rulez ! :D About one year ago I used to be just like you, I had tried Phoenix, as FB was called back then, and had resolved to say it was junk...
Look how much I've changed now...
There's still hope for you yet... ;)

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DeltaGuy
12-08-2003, 11:27 AM
I did not knew it was Hotbar... man that sucks !
Well I guess no skins on IE for me...:(
I did a bit of searching and found this program for you:
YzToolbar (http://www.designtechnika.com/main/modules.php?modid=1&action=show&id=112)
However development on it was stopped by an order from Apple...
Theme for it are located Here (http://www.designtechnika.com/main/modules.php?modid=1&action=cat&id=8) and Here (http://www.phoenity.com/yztoolbar.html)...
Enjoy...
BTW, it modifies both Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer...
You need Windows XP to use it too...

bonzo
12-09-2003, 08:37 AM
I used Yz Toolbar for a while when I had XP outfitted to look like OSX. It was a novelty item but it would glitch pretty often displaying the wrong images over the buttons.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit
12-11-2003, 07:20 PM
I use mozilla, mainly because i so now and then boot to linux rather than to windows xp. After a while i installed mozilla on windows as well and started using that browser instead of IE. No particular reason why though.

Tokelil
12-11-2003, 10:15 PM
I have been using Netcaptor for a few years and I have thought it to be the best. A change they made in some of the new versions annoyed me so I thought I'd look around for another. I have been using Opera for a few years to test compability on my website but I dont like using it on a daily basis. Too many rendering errors for my taste. (Who ever is to blame for this...) So I ran into Crazybrowser and used that for a week but didn't really like it. So I went and downloaded MyIE and has been nicely surprised by it so far! (Only one thing Im missing from Netcaptor...)

So heres a vote for MyIE...