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Shewolf
06-06-2005, 10:14 PM
A particularly bad blonde day. :ermm:And it's pissing me off.
Can you guys explain in plain english about webhosting and domain names.
I am co-owner of a site and we want to now move it from the server to our own place.
I need to find a server and register a domain name.
My understanding kinda peeters out here lol
Do I have to pay the two fees with one provider/host or can I get one here and one there? I'm begining to think that's a stupid question now I've typed it.
Hm.
I've found a few sites that cost $6.99 a year for a domain name. I'm not sure about hosting fees. And the fact that the server needs to meet certain requirements.
More info, plz.
What kind of a site is this? What are you planning to do with it? What are the 'certain requirements' you have for the server?
Shewolf
06-06-2005, 10:24 PM
We will be starting a phpbb message board. I'm used to Invision so I'm relearning. Plus I've never had to find a host and I've not bought a domain name before.
Installation of phpBB2 requires the following:
* A webserver or web hosting account running on any major Operating System
* A SQL database system, one of:
o MySQL (3.22 or higher)
o PostgreSQL 7.0.3 or higher (preferably 7.1.x or 7.2.x)
o MS SQL Server (7 or 2000) directly or via ODBC
o MS Access (2000 or XP) via ODBC
* PHP (4.0.3 and above) with support for the database you intend to use above
acushla
06-06-2005, 10:41 PM
A particularly bad blonde day. :ermm:And it's pissing me off.
Can you guys explain in plain english about webhosting and domain names.
I am co-owner of a site and we want to now move it from the server to our own place.
I need to find a server and register a domain name.
My understanding kinda peeters out here lol
Do I have to pay the two fees with one provider/host or can I get one here and one there? I'm beginning to think that's a stupid question now I've typed it.
Hm.
I've found a few sites that cost $6.99 a year for a domain name. I'm not sure about hosting fees. And the fact that the server needs to meet certain requirements.
I am certain there are at least one hundred million provider/hosts out there and I do not have time to name all of them.
However, the people who host my site for free seem to be very good and you may want to check into it.
They are: www.doteasy.com
If you tell them acushlaimages referred you I think I win a Lamborghini. (I just LOVE writing that name!)
PS When I registered my domain name it worked out considerably less expensive to take a 10 year term over a two year term.
I should point out that the domain name was registered through a separate organization than Doteasy.
The next time I do it I will consolidate everything in the same place.
Ah, ok. Most hosts can run phpBB just fine. You'll most likely be running MySQL for your database. If you're just running a small forum, you won't really need to worry about how much HD space & bandwidth you get. A small forum will only use up about 50-100MB HD space and maybe 3GB bandwidth. You'll probably end up getting more than that. For starting out, I wouldn't pay more than $5/month.
As for a particular recommendation for a host, honestly, it's been a while since I took a good look at the budget end of things. Currently I've got a VDS from Steadfast Networks (http://www.steadfastnetworks.com/), but that would be serious overkill for you. However, they do have a budget-oriented sister site, HostAffect (http://www.hostaffect.com/). (They actually just bought this host not too long ago.) Their lowest plan is 300MB space & 6GB/month bandwidth for $15/year.
But really, there's tons of options out there. You might even find a free one you can live with. If you really want to do some reading up, the best site I can recommend is WebHosting Talk (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/). :)
EDIT: Oh yeah, one other thing. I suggest you NOT purchase your domain from the same company who will be hosting your site. I've known a few people whose hosts have gone under, and their domain name was lost in limbo along with it.
Shewolf
06-06-2005, 10:53 PM
Seem like some good prices.
We are not really looking at a small forum..but we'll see how it goes.
The bigger the better for what we can afford to shell out.
acushla
06-07-2005, 01:23 AM
EDIT: Oh yeah, one other thing. I suggest you NOT purchase your domain from the same company who will be hosting your site. I've known a few people whose hosts have gone under, and their domain name was lost in limbo along with it.
Hmmm...had NEVER considered this scenario.
I do not understand why your statement would be true.
In registering my domain name I am issued a receipt showing the name and the date my 'registration' expires.
Would seem to me that regardless of who does the registration for me or the hosting...should that company go under...it is still my name on the receipt that shows clearly I am the owner of that domain name...and all I need to do now is find somebody else to host it.
The only aspect to lend credence to your statement would be if there was something in the small print from the host.
Other than that...I cannot see a problem.
Shewolf
06-07-2005, 01:26 AM
I can see how it could happen though. I mean things are not as smple as they should be much of the time.
I'll go with seperate places just to be safer. Good posts so far...
I've figured out how to transfer one board to a new host..I just hope it works lol.
Ooh, and I'd like some security of sorts. I know a little of 'sentinel'. Is it free or not? Anything else out there?
acushla
06-07-2005, 01:39 AM
I can see how it could happen though. I mean things are not as smple as they should be much of the time.
I'll go with seperate places just to be safer. Good posts so far...
I've figured out how to transfer one board to a new host..I just hope it works lol.
Ooh, and I'd like some security of sorts. I know a little of 'sentinel'. Is it free or not? Anything else out there?
Not to belabour this point...but is it not true that all registered domain names are listed with a central agency?
Just for interests sake...following the logic of not having the registration and host be held by the same company...if it is true that the registration can be lost to you...what happens if the people who registered your domain name were to go under.
I ask this because that is precisely what happened to me...and it had no affect on me whatsoever.
Tokelil
06-07-2005, 01:39 AM
Well here in Denmark the registration is always given to the person and not the host. The only thing present about the host is the address of nameservers.
Ordering from 2 companies is more expensive than getting it from one. (From danish hosts anyway)
acushla
06-07-2005, 01:46 AM
Well here in Denmark the registration is always given to the person and not the host. The only thing present about the host is the address of nameservers.
Ordering from 2 companies is more expensive than getting it from one. (From danish hosts anyway)
This is precisely as it is in Canada.
Tell me, have you ever come across a site like this (http://www.yabb.info/)?
Or like this (http://www.anime-genesis.com/)?
Both of those were once sites I visited from time to time. One of them used to be the home page of YaBB, one of the most popular forum scripts on the net. Both of them are sites whose owners lost control of their domain names for one reason or another.
Theoreticly, there should be no way an owner can lose their their domain. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work out that way.
In one of the cases I mentioned (not the two I linked above, but in my earlier post), the host went out of business, and for a long time, her domain sat in limbo, with her being unable to access it. Eventually, she was able to track down the registrar that her host had registered her domain with. A couple weeks of phone calls & e-mails, and she was eventually able to regain control of her domain. In the other case, the person's host bungled something up really badly with the registrar. (can't remember the specifics) He was never able to regain control of his domain.
acushla
06-07-2005, 04:18 AM
Tell me, have you ever come across a site like this (http://www.yabb.info/)?
Or like this (http://www.anime-genesis.com/)?
Both of those were once sites I visited from time to time. One of them used to be the home page of YaBB, one of the most popular forum scripts on the net. Both of them are sites whose owners lost control of their domain names for one reason or another.
Theoreticly, there should be no way an owner can lose their their domain. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work out that way.
In one of the cases I mentioned (not the two I linked above, but in my earlier post), the host went out of business, and for a long time, her domain sat in limbo, with her being unable to access it. Eventually, she was able to track down the registrar that her host had registered her domain with. A couple weeks of phone calls & e-mails, and she was eventually able to regain control of her domain. In the other case, the person's host bungled something up really badly with the registrar. (can't remember the specifics) He was never able to regain control of his domain.
WARNING...CLICKING THE FIRST LINK INVITES A VIRUS ONTO YOUR MACHINE
WARNING...CLICKING THE FIRST LINK INVITES A VIRUS ONTO YOUR MACHINE
Fascinating!
Embeded in that page's code is 'antispy.js', it's apparently something called Aluria. I assume you got a little popup about some spyware or something about 'Aluria'? Doing some checking on it, it's apparently one of those spyware cleaners that is in fact a piece of spyware itself. It'll happily clean other spyware off your system, in exchange for putting its own spyware there. I've seen those before, but never as something directly embeded into a webpage. Obviously you don't want to let it touch your system.
But there's an interesting twist here.
Nothing of the sort comes up on mine.
From what I can tell, it will only activate if there's already a piece of spyware attached to your browser. Was the notice you got directly from your antivirus app, or was it a browser notify window? If it was the latter, there's a good chance you already had some spyware installed on your system before you visited that page. Have you run AdAware lately?
Links:
http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?showtopic=20626
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=55643
Tokelil
06-07-2005, 09:44 AM
Maybe you should edit the post... people dont read the rest of the thread before clicking.
Regarding domains, I think a lot have been changed over the last years. At least here in DK. I have heard stories like your are telling before but personally I consider them a non issue...
Shewolf
06-07-2005, 01:13 PM
Also I'd like to ask what other board types there are?
I'm thinking about phpnuke now as it seems more secure.
I could really do with some recomendations so that I now we are chosing a good host. Any are they all pay by month?
Shewolf
06-07-2005, 01:57 PM
We are liking the look of this host. Any help on my telling if it meets requirements?
Host (http://www.hostaffect.com/solutions/hosting.php)
Tokelil
06-07-2005, 02:23 PM
Besides the trafic limit (which is something most danish hotels has as "unlimited with reason") it looks good. Trafic isn't a bit issue for a messageboard though, so you should be good.
Good amount of diskspace and good to see unlimited subdomains, emails, etc. (Though I prefer the .net platform myself)
Shewolf
06-07-2005, 02:26 PM
Cool, any other tips? Comments on teh host?
I'm a rank beginer with this info...I now have my domain name..just have to sort the host before tackling the baord.
acushla
06-07-2005, 07:07 PM
From what I can tell, it will only activate if there's already a piece of spyware attached to your browser. Was the notice you got directly from your antivirus app, or was it a browser notify window? If it was the latter, there's a good chance you already had some spyware installed on your system before you visited that page. Have you run AdAware lately?
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Hmmm. Some background. OPERA is my browser and I have only very recently (less than a week) installed NOD-32 Anti-Virus.
The pop-up (the first of its kind on this machine) was from NOD-32 and from what I recall stated that it was putting the little bastard into Quarantine .
However, when I went to view the Quarantine folder...nothing was there.
I ran another full system scan (my 3rd...and 2nd of that day) and although nothing showed up that allowed a physical view...the resulting stats did indicate that a total of 2 items had been found in all the scans I had preformed since installing the program on my computer. Which would have meant 1 for the first scan I preformed when I originally installed the program and (I'm guessing) the second would be for whatever occurred when I clicked on the link.
I then ran both a Spy-Bot and an Ad-Aware full system scan...both showed nothing untoward on my computer.
Everything seems to be all right...and at least I got to see what the notice form NOD-32 looks like! (ed) Not nearly as panic inducing as NORTON's menacing red and white notices! (ed) :)
What surprised me more than anything else was how quickly the notice came up. It was like the moment I clicked the link....BANG...the notice was there.
Probably NOD32's script-blocking stuffs. I don't see anything about Aluria on NOD32's site, but it probably just saw what the script was supposed to scan for and said 'hold it'. That's what NOD32 does best, looking for things it knows nothing about.
Given that the script file itself resided on the remote server, I'm not surprised it couldn't 'move' it to quarantine. :P Though it's remotely possible that a copy could reside in your browser's cache. If you want to be extra-safe, you could clear it.
I've had my AV block a couple Java viruses before. I can't say that I got the message 'instantly' though, as it took a few seconds for Java itself to load. :P
Shewolf
06-07-2005, 09:18 PM
Any more thoughts on the hosting etc?
madjo
06-07-2005, 09:38 PM
Hmmm...had NEVER considered this scenario.
I do not understand why your statement would be true.
In registering my domain name I am issued a receipt showing the name and the date my 'registration' expires.
Would seem to me that regardless of who does the registration for me or the hosting...should that company go under...it is still my name on the receipt that shows clearly I am the owner of that domain name...and all I need to do now is find somebody else to host it.
The only aspect to lend credence to your statement would be if there was something in the small print from the host.
Other than that...I cannot see a problem.I lost my previous domainname because of an issue I had with the provider... (but in that case the domainname wasn't actually registered to my name)
madjo
06-07-2005, 09:44 PM
choosing a webhost is a very personal choice, but if that host supports PHP + MySQL then I think PHPNuke will give you no problems
(I'd ask the host first, if the server runs in 'safe mode'/'secure mode' or 'openbase_dir restriction'.. If it runs any of the two, I'd consider some other hoster, especially if it is the latter)
Any more thoughts on the hosting etc?
Anything in particular you're still wondering about?
Shewolf
06-07-2005, 10:38 PM
Well I'm just fidegty about finding a decent host really.
And could someone tell me what to expect when I choose the host?
I mean, is it as 'simple' as getting the server, setting up the board etc? How do I bring my domain name in.....I must be sounding daft..I'm even having trouble putting thoughts into words about this tonight.
Never delt with any of this before.
I think I'll learn faster when I have controls in front of me lol.
Tokelil
06-07-2005, 11:40 PM
If you choose to get domain from the same place as getting hosted, then it is pretty simple.
You order and pay your domain/host and with a few hours/days (depending on host I guess) you'll get an email (and written letter, depending on host I think) with confirmation that they have ordered the domain from the hostmaster. Besides that the mail probably contains login information and general information about how to set up email, ftp etc.
(Thats approx. what happened to me anyway...)
If you choose not to order the domain the same place, then you will have to buy that first I think. When you get it you order the host and tell them that they shall transfer the domain to them. You will probably have to redeligate the domain yourself from the hostmaster site, with info you got when ordering the domain and nameserver info from your host.
OK, it goes something like this:
When you sign up with your web host, they will tell you what 'nameservers' to use. There will probably be two of them (sometimes more, never less) and they will probably be something like ns1.yourhost.com and ns2.yourhost.com. You take those over to your registrar (the company you get your domain name from) and input them along with the rest of the info about your domain, like your contact info.
When you change info about your domain (like point it to a new host), it doesn't take effect right away. Typically it'll take about 2 days before you'll be able to just type www.yourdomain.com into a browser and have it work. In the meantime, you should be able to access your site by using its IP address, something like http://123.123.123.123/~yoursite. Your host should give you that info.
Your host will also provide you with a control panel. That's basicly a secure site you login to where you can setup things like e-mail addresses for your domain, and create the database that you'll need for things like phpBB.
Are you familiar with how to use an FTP client?
Shewolf
06-08-2005, 09:19 AM
I have my doman name already.
Yes, I have CuteFTP and FireFTP.
Okiedokie. Any other holes in the picture here?
Shewolf
06-08-2005, 10:57 AM
I think I'm ok :)
Of course the test will be when I actually do it in a few days lol
Shewolf
06-08-2005, 09:18 PM
Will do! I'm a dumb cow at times... :ditsy:
acushla
06-08-2005, 10:21 PM
Will do! I'm a dumb cow at times... :ditsy:
Yup! :cheeky:
Shewolf
06-08-2005, 10:28 PM
Yup! :cheeky:
Fine one to talk http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-022.gif
Shadowraven
06-09-2005, 06:38 AM
Fine one to talk http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-022.gif
This from the man with rocks in his head. :cross-eye
Shewolf
06-10-2005, 07:06 PM
Ok, I have my domain name, I have a host and I've sorted the nameservers. I guess that's something.
Now for a crash course in finding out what the fuck I'm supposed to be doing... :confused:
lol
Shewolf
06-12-2005, 01:42 AM
A quick update. :)
We have lift off!
The board basics are up and it is finally time for me to make catergories,edit options and make logos etc etc.
Cheers again guys!
Tokelil
06-12-2005, 09:33 AM
:) Good luck with it!
Xirian
08-14-2005, 06:02 PM
I simply thought I'd just add to this thread because I am the co-admin. for the site that Shewolf is discussing here. Myths of Enchantment.
As of right now Shewolf is out of town and I don't have any way to contact her. So, if anyone has heard from her in the last month, please let me know.
Another thing I wanted to ask was, I know that when we were trying to get this site up and running, she asked a lot of questions here and you all answered her questions well.
I know this may seem a bit presumptuous of me, but was there someone specifically on this board that helped Shewolf with the codes for the MoE site. I know she was working with someone, but I can't remember their name, but I thought they were on this site.
If anyone knows what I'm talking about, could you respond to this. We are having some serious problems on that site, and if you have any information that can help me, I will appreciate it and I know Shewolf will too.
Thank you all!!!!
And "Hi There, Shadowraven!!!"
Shadowraven
08-15-2005, 06:51 AM
Hey Xirian, nice to see you here, even if it did surprise me. This is another great forum with some great people on it. There are quite a few folks here that can help you with your computer related questions.
Anyone up for it?
Tokelil
08-15-2005, 09:28 AM
I think it might have been Toe that helped out, but Im not sure. This thread and this one (http://www.quinnware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4037&highlight=html) are ethey only one I know about, so she might have gotten help through PM's or IM's...
Sheepeh
08-15-2005, 03:16 PM
I simply thought I'd just add to this thread because I am the co-admin. for the site that Shewolf is discussing here. Myths of Enchantment.
As of right now Shewolf is out of town and I don't have any way to contact her. So, if anyone has heard from her in the last month, please let me know.
Another thing I wanted to ask was, I know that when we were trying to get this site up and running, she asked a lot of questions here and you all answered her questions well.
I know this may seem a bit presumptuous of me, but was there someone specifically on this board that helped Shewolf with the codes for the MoE site. I know she was working with someone, but I can't remember their name, but I thought they were on this site.
If anyone knows what I'm talking about, could you respond to this. We are having some serious problems on that site, and if you have any information that can help me, I will appreciate it and I know Shewolf will too.
Thank you all!!!!
And "Hi There, Shadowraven!!!"
Yeah, she hasn't popped in to my TeamSpeak channel in ages either, was starting to get a little worried about her! I know she went down to Bristol with her bloke, but not sure it was supposed to be taking this long...the last message I have from her was on the 13th of July it'd be two weeks exactly unless she found a flat in which case it'd be a few more days.
What problems exactly are you having with your site? Feel free to add me to your MSN or email or whatever...if you come in to our QCD chat channel, both me and Toe idle in there a lot so you can ask us crap =)
Good Luck =)
Shewolf
08-16-2005, 11:56 PM
Squeeeeeeeee! :normal:
Man, I'm sorry guys..I so didn't mean to be away that long!
My return coach trip was delayed twice because of moving flat in Bristol and my bad health.
Can't believe I've been away from here so long *hugs PC*.
So, I'm back for a while now.
I'll catch you soon Sheep, Dara.. seems I am lonesome tonight. lol
Not sure why the site is down as yet..I am investigating.
Also looking for someone who knows Sentinal..I hate it but need it. Grr.
So much to do..so few hours in the evening.........
Xirian
08-17-2005, 02:08 AM
Well, look who's back. I will definitely add you to my MSN, Sheepeh, but I think Shewolf will be able to explain what's going on much better. I was banned so I couldn't tell you much. I was just going to ask if you still had the site information saved anywhere. Thanks for responding though.
Shadowraven, so far everyone here seems to be very nice and very helpful.
Cheers and Thanks Again everyone!!!
And welcome back, Shewolf!!!!!
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