First Post!!

[Sheepeh]

Woo, and indeed Yay!

Playing with our new toy right now, it doesn't recognise my C500 mobile as a "sync device" =( but the new skin is pretty nice, and the library is quite fast - now to see how much torture it needs to break...

*manic laughter*

[biggman15]

Wow!!! You broke it in... I wanted to... But I don't feel I've been here long enough...

[Sheepeh]

Touch it, taste it, caress it...er...I'll get me coat.

[gzero3k]

Neato, I must be one of the first people to get this.

Hmm will old skins and plugins still work? Only one way to find out...

Skins seem to work, but it didn't save into the skin browser. Well until I used the download interface from inside QMP.

Oo replaygain.

[Roj]

Touch it, taste it, caress it...er...I'll get me coat.
So, fellow owner of a Revo:

What are the audio differences?

24bit support?

Dithering / soundhsaping?

Different decoder?

Higher math precision decoding?

Can I choose not to install the Gracenote stuff and install freedb instead?

Can I choose not to install the music library?

Do dumping those two features cost me anything in terms of losing additional functionality?

WHAT?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[Sheepeh]

I think Paul mentioned he was keeping all that stuff the same. It certainly sounds the same (although it's 3am so it's quite quiet here).

It does have a Shibatch EQ plugin and ReplayGain be default though - that's new isn't it?

Some added stuff for Gracenotes service (now running that on a copy of my music dump, so we'll see how good it is when it finishes), and the Media Library which although it could use a nip and tuck in the UI department (I'll suggest those later when I'm a bit more awake) it looks pretty nice.

Now implement my C500 in to it. NOW. GO, MINIONS. :nervous:

[biggman15]

Hmm... I can still keep QCD on My computer at the same time... Kewl... Individual settings... I wonder if The old plugins will work....

[Sheepeh]

The FLAC input plugin and the MSN Now Playing plugins both work A-OK, so I think pretty much everything should...

[gzero3k]

Not associating with skin files correctly, but maybe I need a restart.

QMP crashed when I tried to write changes in replaygain for a large group of mp3s..hmm I wonder which one caused it.

[biggman15]

Can Anyone find the Shuffle Button?????

[biggman15]

Wow!!! A real PreAmp!!!! not just a volume control on the Eq Tab!!!!!

[acehole]

Can Anyone find the Shuffle Button?????
Took me a while too. Just underneath the track info are the shuffle and repeat controls in medium and large modes.

[Paul]

So, fellow owner of a Revo:
What are the audio differences?
24bit support?
Dithering / soundhsaping?
Different decoder?
Higher math precision decoding?
Can I choose not to install the Gracenote stuff and install freedb instead?
Can I choose not to install the music library?
Do dumping those two features cost me anything in terms of losing additional functionality?
WHAT?
Inquiring minds want to know!
I was waiting for you Roj ;)

Yep, same old MP3 decoder. But now that there is a general purpose EQ I no longer have any attachment to XAudio. I'll probably work on a MAD one soon.

The extras I did while I was waiting for the release are the Shibatch EQ and the ReplayGain support. Both of which are still glitchy. The EQ can cause skips and has too much latency, but it will get better (it's beta dammit :)).

No ML - fine
No Gracenote - fine
Make it work just like 4.51 - no problem

Does dumping Gracenote and ML cost you functionality? Well, yea - Gracenote and the Library support.
I leave it up to you.

[biggman15]

Took me a while too. Just underneath the track info are the shuffle and repeat controls in medium and large modes.

Kewl thanks....

[biggman15]

Well, Ishuffler and Billboard Work... So Everything probably still works... Except the old MP3 encoder....It was always Faster than lame... I haven't tested the current lame... But I may Keep 4.51 around if the Encoder is to slow...

[Roj]

I was waiting for you Roj ;)

Yep, same old MP3 decoder. But now that there is a general purpose EQ I no longer have any attachment to XAudio. I'll probably work on a MAD one soon.

The extras I did while I was waiting for the release are the Shibatch EQ and the ReplayGain support. Both of which are still glitchy. The EQ can cause skips and has too much latency, but it will get better (it's beta dammit :)).

No ML - fine
No Gracenote - fine
Make it work just like 4.51 - no problem

Does dumping Gracenote and ML cost you functionality? Well, yea - Gracenote and the Library support.
I leave it up to you.

Thank you for all of that - much appreciated. looking forward to MAD support - that got my undivided attention. Wanting to dump the Gracenote is primarily because aI don't want to pay for it when the final ships when freedb exists (I actually know one of the guys behind it).

[Paul]

Wanting to dump the Gracenote is primarily because aI don't want to pay for it when the final ships when freedb exists (I actually know one of the guys behind it).
Now that's pessimistic. QMP isn't going to payware and Gracenote never asked any user for money.

You know a FreeDB guy, I know a Gracenote guy. If only we could all get along, eh?

[acehole]

MAD for the decoder... I'm salivating in anticipation :-P.

Been playing about with it for a while now and I have a first bug to report (should I file this under the devbuilds forum properly?): The media library sub-categories (e.g. the genres or the artists) don't seem to want to add the times up correctly despite much fiddling about. Often they just show 00:00, sometimes just much less time than they should.

Keep up the good work, this is excellent so far, you made my day/week/month!

[Lich]

Sorry, but how to use ML? I’m trying to add Files or Folders, but it finds nothing...

[biggman15]

Sorry, but how to use ML? I’m trying to add Files or Folders, but it finds nothing...
Works fine for me....

[acehole]

You know I only just noticed how it was exactly a year to the day between 4.51 and b100. Funny how much shiny new software to play with can distract you...

[acushla]

OK...I"m back...did a A B sound comparison between QMP and XM...not even close...sound on QMP is much better...astonishingly so as a matter of fact...good bye XM...thanks for the memories...bon jour QMP.

(Hey biggman15..guess what the first music I played was? Yup...Godsmack...'The Other Side'...listening to it now even as I type!)

[acushla]

Sorry, but how to use ML? I’m trying to add Files or Folders, but it finds nothing...

Perhaps...and only just perhaps...the default folder where QMP looks for your music files is not where you store them.

In which case click + and go to the folder where they are.

Hope this is helpful, comrade.

[acehole]

The media library sub-categories (e.g. the genres or the artists) don't seem to want to add the times up correctly despite much fiddling about. Often they just show 00:00, sometimes just much less time than they should.
Removed everything from the library and rebuild it from scratch and now it's fine, so please disregard unless somebody else can repeat it.

[biggman15]

OK...I"m back...good bye XM...thanks for the memories.

(Hey biggman15..guess what the first music I played was? Yup...Godsmack...'The Other Side'...listening to it now even as I type!)

XM??? Anyway, Glad to know I'm not the only one To Play Godsmack First... VooDoo to be Exact...

[biggman15]

Is there Anyway to get the 4.5 skin for the Development Build????

[Lich]

Perhaps...and only just perhaps...the default folder where QMP looks for your music files is not where you store them.

In which case click + and go to the folder where they are.

Hope this is helpful, comrade.
Nope, it shows green bar and "Reading: complete / Imported: 0"
Manual dragging mp3's on ML window = no effect.

[biggman15]

Get the skin file from your QCD folder :P.

The default skin is built in to 4.51.... There is no file.... I copyied all the skins over after installing today....

Edit: I reply then the post I reply to disapears before I post...... Hmm...

[acushla]

Nope, it shows green bar and "Reading: complete / Imported: 0"
Manual dragging mp3's on ML window = no effect.

As a starting point...what happens when you choose an mp3 file, right click it and open it with QMP? Does the file play?

[Lich]

As a starting point...what happens when you choose an mp3 file, right click it and open it with QMP? Does the file play?
Yes. It's in Playlist and sounding good.

[Roj]

Now that's pessimistic. QMP isn't going to payware and Gracenote never asked any user for money.

You know a FreeDB guy, I know a Gracenote guy. If only we could all get along, eh?
I do so wish. :)

And to infer from what you're saying, I shouldn't be pessimistic? OK then. Live in hiope you won't die in despair.

[Roj]

OK...I"m back...did a A B sound comparison between QMP and XM...not even close...sound on QMP is much better...astonishingly so as a matter of fact...

Now the 64 million dollar question:

Was it played flat or your usual tarted up stuff?

[Sheepeh]

Urkle. That Gracenote finder thingy is rubbish! It's just named everything it thinks it knows, and it decided I have 19 copies of the same song despite the fact the file names and sizes are different (I guess it's the only track it knows by that artist). It didn't ask either...I think there should be some sort of sanity check involved such as "I've already named a tag that...maybe doing it twice is wrong. Do you want it? Yes/No".

I wouldn'ae pay for it it it's current state.

[acushla]

OK...I"m back...did a A B sound comparison between QMP and XM...not even close...sound on QMP is much better...astonishingly so as a matter of fact...

Now the 64 million dollar question:

Was it played flat or your usual tarted up stuff?

Hey man...haven't used DSP settings since really listening to the M-Audio Revolution. Which is a resounding yes ...as in YES, I PLAYED THEM FLAT. I truly was surprised by the difference in sound...I expected a difference...but no where near to the extent it was. What is the explanation?

Realized that one only uses these types of band aid fixes to try to compensate for shit CL boards and try to make them sound good.

Understand this...what I have just written has no relation to our (my) discussion on SACD and DVD-AUDIO.

[Shadowraven]

OK...I"m back...did a A B sound comparison between QMP and XM...not even close...sound on QMP is much better...astonishingly so as a matter of fact...

Now the 64 million dollar question:

Was it played flat or your usual tarted up stuff?

Tarted up? That's an interesting way of putting it. :cheeky:

I'm downloading it right now, I can't wait to see it!

[acushla]

Urkle. That Gracenote finder thingy is rubbish! It's just named everything it thinks it knows, and it decided I have 19 copies of the same song despite the fact the file names and sizes are different (I guess it's the only track it knows by that artist). It didn't ask either...I think there should be some sort of sanity check involved such as "I've already named a tag that...maybe doing it twice is wrong. Do you want it? Yes/No".

I wouldn'ae pay for it it it's current state.

First thing I did was trun it off.

Then I turned it off.

[acushla]

Tarted up? That's an interesting way of putting it. :cheeky:

I'm downloading it right now, I can't wait to see it!

Generally I LIKE them tarted up.

Media Players? Oh. Well in that case then I would like to change my answer.

Just found 'Faith No More'.

[acushla]

Yes. It's in Playlist and sounding good.

So...you are able to move forward from where you are...everything OK now?

In preferences you might want to disengage 'Gracenote'...might help.

[Shadowraven]

OK, just installed QMP and started it. First thing it didn't play anything, just told me something else was using my card (nothing else was). Had to kill it with the Task Manager, then restarted it.

Wow! Is it my imagination or does it sound better? I thought Paul said that nothing had changed in playback, but it definitely seems to sound better. First song I played out of the gate was, Moby "Extreme Ways" and it sounded great! I usually have to "tart it up" to make it sound so good, but played it with the EQ flat.

Basic interface looks nice, but I would like the ability to close the Media Library/Browser window. I see that I can use the playlist to completely cover it. Is there a way to do this I haven't seen yet? I can see already it's going to take a little while to familiarize myself with it to use it properly.

BTW, with so much new to the player, has skinning it changed as well? I see new parts to QMP so it's good to ask!

[biggman15]

OK, just installed QMP and started it. First thing it didn't play anything, just told me something else was using my card (nothing else was). Had to kill it with the Task Manager, then restarted it.

Wow! Is it my imagination or does it sound better? I thought Paul said that nothing had changed in playback, but it definitely seems to sound better. First song I played out of the gate was, Moby "Extreme Ways" and it sounded great! I usually have to "tart it up" to make it sound so good, but played it with the EQ flat.

Basic interface looks nice, but I would like the ability to close the Media Library/Browser window. I see that I can use the playlist to completely cover it. Is there a way to do this I haven't seen yet? I can see already it's going to take a little while to familiarize myself with it to use it properly.

BTW, with so much new to the player, has skinning it changed as well? I see new parts to QMP so it's good to ask!

There are little arrows in the upper right corner that act like the long Dead sonique and switch modes Exactly like it... That will close the ML view...

[hedge]

Basic interface looks nice, but I would like the ability to close the Media Library/Browser window. I see that I can use the playlist to completely cover it. Is there a way to do this I haven't seen yet? I can see already it's going to take a little while to familiarize myself with it to use it properly.

BTW, with so much new to the player, has skinning it changed as well? I see new parts to QMP so it's good to ask!
Theres three skin layouts, the big mode that is the default view, Medium, which will be what you want, and small, which is like the old remote (well kinda ;))

[Protocol]

Wow!!! A real PreAmp!!!! not just a volume control on the Eq Tab!!!!!
Is it any different to QCD?

[acushla]

Theres three skin layouts, the big mode that is the default view, Medium, which will be what you want, and small, which is like the old remote (well kinda ;))

I just love this interface...doubt I would ever download any other skin.

The whole layout compliments OPERA nicely. Very clean...very well thought out.

I still cannot get over how good it sounds.

[biggman15]

Is it any different to QCD?
Yeah... A PreAmp can Distort the Sound a bit, the old one In QCD was the System volume...

[hedge]

Is it any different to QCD?
Yep tis an actual pre amp now and not a volume control.

[biggman15]

I just love this interface...doubt I would ever download any other skin.

The whole layout compliments OPERA nicely. Very clean...very well thought out.

I still cannot get over how good it sounds.

Hmm... I'm still useing My Favorite Skin... It's just smaller... The New one takes up alot of The screen... But most people have moved past 800x600... I just checked it out in a higher Resolution... I would Keep the default if I used the higher Res...

[hedge]

I just love this interface...doubt I would ever download any other skin.

The whole layout compliments OPERA nicely. Very clean...very well thought out.

I still cannot get over how good it sounds.
err there really is no diff in the sound engine at the moment...
You sure you don't have the new eq on?

And yes I must agree with you, the new interface is probably the best i've seen in an audio player. The library views are awesome! The best of all other libraries i've seen all wrapped into one ;) Tree view is my fav. but multi column is also good, even though I'm struggling to see the real point having both multi and single column, they both are very very similar (I think I remember seeing a question here about it before, the difference is that multi column has multiple columns set aside for artist album genre, whereas single column combines all selected views into one column (which just doesn't seem as clean to me).

Oh and can't forget the file system view, which is also a great asset, by what i've heard of roj's style of selecting songs, it might even make him happy :P... Nah ya right it won't hehe library definitely does NOT == roj.

[acushla]

... that act like the long Dead sonique ...


The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.

[biggman15]

The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.

When did that happen??? before or after You posted???

[jawpr]

Anybody figured out how to set up and play Sonique visuals? I don't see any way to point it to the Vis folder.

[biggman15]

Anybody figured out how to set up and play Sonique visuals? I don't see any way to point it to the Vis folder.

You know I haven't tried That plugin on the New Player yet... Will do that next... Though I might Suggest Simply copying the Vis folder....

Edit: They work fine...

[acushla]

err there really is no diff in the sound engine at the moment...
You sure you don't have the new eq on?

I KNEW somebody was going to tell me that the sound engine was the same...so now I'm asking myself if I had QUINTESSENTIAL installed when I first acquired my M-AUDIO REVOLUTION 7.1 card...now that I really think about it I don't believe I did.

Anyway, the point is that this sounds amazing to me...and definitely better on this sound board than XM.

I suppose if there was any other one player I might do an A B with...it would be foo player. However, I'm not even going to bother...this sounds fantastic, it looks great and I feel much better using the player that belongs to this forum

[Protocol]

Yeah... A PreAmp can Distort the Sound a bit, the old one In QCD was the System volume...

Yep tis an actual pre amp now and not a volume control.
OK. Thanks. I can't really notice anything. Is there something that I should be doing?

[biggman15]

I KNEW somebody was going to tell me that the sound engine was the same...so now I'm asking myself if I had QUINTESSENTIAL installed when I first acquired my M-AUDIO REVOLUTION 7.1 card...now that I really think about it I don't believe I did.

Anyway, the point is that this sounds amazing to me...and definitely better on this sound board than XM.

I suppose if there was any other one player I might do an A B with...it would be foo player. However, I'm not even going to bother...this sounds fantastic, it looks great and I feel much better using the player that belongs to this forum

I would like to Try comparing it to Apollo... But My speakers Frankly arn't that Great... I only have 4 speakers and a Measly 3 inch Sub...

[acushla]

Tell me. is it just me or does the noticeable disappearance of Roj since the download of QMP suggest to you that in the morning we are going to get a detailed 4 page post of his findings and conclusions?

[biggman15]

Tell me. is it just me or does the noticeable disappearance of Roj since the download of QMP suggest to you that in the morning we are going to get a detailed 4 page post of his findings and conclusions?

Heh... Expect Anything...

[biggman15]

Anyone Else notice the Funny little square in QMP's About Screen???

Right after....
visit: www.gracenote.com/corporate

[hedge]

Anyone Else notice the Funny little square in QMP's About Screen???

Right after....
visit: www.gracenote.com/corporate
errr funny square? and another err to the gracenote website, what am i looking for?

[biggman15]

errr funny square? and another err to the gracenote website, what am i looking for?

Open the Main Menu, Qmp Help, About, In the area with the Scroll Bar, Roll all the way down... After the Web address Theres a funny little square...

[hedge]

Open the Main Menu, Qmp Help, About, In the area with the Scroll Bar, Roll all the way down... After the Web address Theres a funny little square...
ahhh now i got ya ;) and yeah I see the square too, unrecognised character.

[acushla]

Open the Main Menu, Qmp Help, About, In the area with the Scroll Bar, Roll all the way down... After the Web address Theres a funny little square...

There's HELP...??????

Why does something 'perfect' need help?

Oh...I see.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I love this new release but stumbled on a problem i knew i was going to have. Like with winamp, many years ago, my music collection is poorly or not tagged. As a result when i imported my music into the library the whole thing becomes a mess with sometimes 8 references to a different tune in 'different albums' which really all belong in the same album. I see only one thing left to do, start to fix up the tags when i have time ha ha oh boy 30GB of music to tag...:silly:

EDIT: i dont know if anybody mentioned this already, but the icon (also the one in systemtray) is still the default QCD one. Will this change in the future?

PS maybe it's just me, but audio quality seems to be much better, much clearer now. :P

[acushla]

PS maybe it's just me, but audio quality seems to be much better, much clearer now. :P

It is DECIDEDLY NOT just you...I'm so glad you mentioned this. I hear a remarkable difference.

[biggman15]

It is DECIDEDLY NOT just you...I'm so glad you mentioned this. I hear a remarkable difference.

The only thing I noticed is that My small speakers don't crackle as much...

I Can't turn My decent speakers on yet... Might wake up the house... It's 2 AM Here...

[Shadowraven]

It is DECIDEDLY NOT just you...I'm so glad you mentioned this. I hear a remarkable difference.

It's definitely not your imagination. Everything I've played in it sounds much better. I noticed that with the first song I played with it. It sounds much clearer than my old player. That is not just my imagination. I've compared them just a little while ago. The old player sounds somewhat "muddy" and needs the EQ to sound better. This one I'm playing flat and it sounds great! If nothing changed in the playback module, then why does it sound so much better?

Edit: Looking around in the preferences I'm willing to bet that the improvement in sound quality is due to the DSPs active by default in QMP. If nothing else has changed that is the only thing I can think of that would changed the output quality. That would tie in well with folks saying QMP sucks the CPU heavily.

[Shadowraven]

Tried the middle-sized version and you guys are right, that's the one i was looking for. It's more like the old player. I just don't like the squareness of the new skin. I sorta liked the fact that QCD looked so much different than the other players out there. Now it's started to look like all the other ones did. It still looks nice, it just doesn't stand out anymore. Actually it now reminds a lot of the Jet Audio Player in the middle-sized mode.

[biggman15]

Actually it now reminds a lot of the Jet Audio Player in the middle-sized mode.

JetAudio, Musicmatch, and Every other Player out there that thinks of it self as an organizer... Although I like Rectangles....

By the Way, QMP isn't the only one changing.... Nullsoft contracted a forum Member to do it to the Modern Skin...
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=179515

Here's an Early Screen shot... It's alot further along than this...
http://forums.winamp.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1372340

Edit: Actually I don't think they contracted him... He sort of Volunteered...

[Toe]

Is there Anyway to get the 4.5 skin for the Development Build????
Just grab the QCD Player 4.2 skin from the skin browser, it's close enough and works fine.

[biggman15]

Just grab the QCD Player 4.2 skin from the skin browser, it's close enough and works fine.
Already Have it, and the the QCD 3 skin... Just thought it would be cool to have the 4.5 skin....

[hedge]

Edit: Looking around in the preferences I'm willing to bet that the improvement in sound quality is due to the DSPs active by default in QMP. If nothing else has changed that is the only thing I can think of that would changed the output quality. That would tie in well with folks saying QMP sucks the CPU heavily.
Perhaps the new eq defaults to on, which i think is definitely the case judging by the amount of people speaking about the new awesome quality.... But replaygain will definitely not cause any improvement or loss in quality, all it does is set the volume of each song to a similar level so loud songs don't leave ya eardrums dead, and reduces the chances of clipping occuring.

[Shadowraven]

Perhaps the new eq defaults to on, which i think is definitely the case judging by the amount of people speaking about the new awesome quality.... But replaygain will definitely not cause any improvement or loss in quality, all it does is set the volume of each song to a similar level so loud songs don't leave ya eardrums dead, and reduces the chances of clipping occuring.

Looking at that plug-in I didn't think it would, but I didn't look at it long enough to figure out what it was for. But that is a cool feature, really something I wanted to see implemented, I just never heard it called that before.

The other DSP doesn't seem to have much effect on the sound quality either, so you must be right about the new EQ then. I just didn't think of that first as I am playing music with the EQ flat.

[Toe]

I've got a better explanation for the sound quality improvements. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo)

;)

[Tokelil]

Good work overall Paul! :) So far I like it and might even consider using the ML.
Personally I like the style of the new skin more than the old one. It does look too much like Itunes in its default view IMO, but the 2. mode is good. Nice to see a replaygain DSP and a good EQ! (Too bad I have used time on doing replaygain myself.) Does the Replaygain DSP get the tag info from the tag.dll? (So in the future one file will handle tag reading and writing)

Great to see my plug-ins still work. :)
Will the sdk give us ability to create/switch/manage playlists? (Would like to integrate the QueueIt plug-in with the ML and playlist if possible and if a similar function isn't added to QMP)

Could the better soundquality come from internal changes? (like pure 32bit int/float through all chains)

Anyway, haven't used it more than an hour, but good impression so far.

I guess the old skin will be released to the skins section soon, but if anyone wants it before that, it can be extracted from the branding.dll (I think... been a while) with resource hacker.

[Roj]

Hey man...haven't used DSP settings since really listening to the M-Audio Revolution. Which is a resounding yes ...as in YES, I PLAYED THEM FLAT. I truly was surprised by the difference in sound...I expected a difference...but no where near to the extent it was. What is the explanation?

Realized that one only uses these types of band aid fixes to try to compensate for shit CL boards and try to make them sound good.

Understand this...what I have just written has no relation to our (my) discussion on SACD and DVD-AUDIO.
OK. I have another theory but will hold it for now. I'm thinking you found the sound somehow brighter?

[Roj]

Edit: Looking around in the preferences I'm willing to bet that the improvement in sound quality is due to the DSPs active by default in QMP. If nothing else has changed that is the only thing I can think of that would changed the output quality. That would tie in well with folks saying QMP sucks the CPU heavily.

Good - I didn't need to read much further in the thread to have my suspicions regarding the sound quality voiced by someone else.

If the decoder remained the same, there is simply no reason for the sound to be that radically different (Toe will bear me out on this). Hence, it has to be something else.

[acushla]

OK. I have another theory but will hold it for now. I'm thinking you found the sound somehow brighter?

First of all, remember I am comparing it to XM, which, by the way, has been completely removed from my computer.

No, I really do not believe 'brighter', as I define brighter - which would lean toward a high-end treble 'edge', would be how I describe this sound.

What I hear is a much fuller sound with a greater spectrum and range. Above all else I would define the sound as 'cleaner' and tighter.

But God only knows what settings I had on the XM...I mean...there seemed to be so many options and it was hard to tell if half of them were on or off.

Regardless of any of this...I am genuinely impressed by this Player (what's a tag?) in the way it sounds...which has ALWAYS been the ONLY criteria that mattered to me. If other aspects are good...all the better...but personally I don't bother with any of that 'tagging' stuff...mainly because I don't understand it and am too busy enjoying the music to bother learning it.

However...that all might change once they start including the lyrics in the tags.

And I love the simplicity of the interface.

[o2xygen]

Didn't I tell you that it was going to be released on 11May
I should have bet on this
As for the new skin, I like it. The large mode is very large. The medium and small are lovely
The media library is awesome...
Thanks Paul

[acozz]

Ugh, the Shibatch EQ sounds bad for me with headphones on my laptop (tinny). I had to turn it off. I much prefer the X-audio EQ.

[Qaz]

Aye, nice release. :)

Though the first time I run it was horrible. QMP was using huge amounts of memory. Over 100MB. Restarting fixed this, so I'm one happy user now.

The tag editor now has track artist and album artist. Track artist field is filled so I guess that's the one to use. But what exactly is the album artist? Or when do these differ (as media library seems to think both of them are the same on all my files)?

[o2xygen]

One thing with this release, is that is uses much less memory than the old one. 3mb when in idle mode and 10mb when playing.About less than 5%cpu useage.
Many problems with Sliding menus with one one of my skins have been fixed with this version.. I'll start working with them again right now.Also the crash bug with fading extentions seems to be fixed atm. time will tell.

P.S: Does anyone see the Tray Icon?

[Toe]

(Toe will bear me out on this)
Wait, did you just say I would agree with you on something? o_O

:P

[Qaz]

P.S: Does anyone see the Tray Icon?
Yes, You don't?

[Toe]

P.S: Does anyone see the Tray Icon?
Yes, I noticed that's apparently enabled by default in this build...

[o2xygen]

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/christos_00/16695/424823/0/notray.jpg
That space says Quintessential Media Player when I have my cursor over.

[acushla]

Somebody should do one of those survey posts asking the question:

How many people woke up this morning, came to the forum, discovered the new build had been released...and promptly called in to work and said they were sick?

[acehole]

I'll second the call for queue-it functionality to be integrated into the ML.

[Lich]

So...you are able to move forward from where you are...everything OK now?
In preferences you might want to disengage 'Gracenote'...might help.
No, I still can't get any files into ML.
Disabling Gracenote MusicID plugin doesn't help.
I tested it at my work (different hardware and OS) - no effect.

[acozz]

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/christos_00/16695/424823/0/notray.jpg
That space says Quintessential Media Player when I have my cursor over.
Is the icon not there? You may have to reboot to get it to work, if you haven't already.

[Roj]

*manic laughter*

OK, took the plunge and installed the beta on a test box. Configuration is as follows:

- Creative Labs Audigy
- Monsoon MH-500 2.1 speaker system
- Pentum 4 3.0Ghz
- 512Mb DDR

Installtion:

- dumped video plugins
- dumped encoder plugins

Initial impression of new skin:

YUCK! (sorry - that's my impression)

Went straight to plugins.

Checked out mp3 decoder. No discernible differences (as expected).

Went to playback plugins. Deactivated wav out and activated crossfade plugin. Turned OFF adjust volume on primary buffer. Set default device to Audigy. Turned ON seamless playback. Turned OFF every single fade option. Turned OFF all crossfading options. Turned OFF auto-size buffer based on playsettings. Went into DSPs and deaactivated replayGain (I neve use it ReplayGain tags anyway) and Shibatch EQ (I always play flat).

Thus the playing field is levelled.

Fired up Stevie Ray Vaughan - Riviera Paradise. Encode is done on 24bit remaster version by me using LAME 3.92 / Stereo / Quality = 0 / CBR / 192bit.

Fired up XMPlay with decoding set to 24bit / dithering and soundshaping on / all other audio attributes including EQ set to OFF.

Volumes needed to be adjusted manually to equalize them as DirectSound playback is (as expected) somewhat softer than wav out. This is a documented DirectSound characteristic.

There was no evidence whatsoever of the massive improvements in sound quality reported here. XMPlay had slightly richer detail, likely due to the soundshaping and dithering and also appeared to have a somewhat richer bottom end (MAD produced the same effect on 4.51).

Quit QMP, installed case's MAD plugin.

Fired up SRV and again did a head-to-head comparison.

No differences encountered between XMPlay and QMP.

Switched back to default mp3 decoder and deleted MAD plugin.

Tested gapless play. Consistent with 4.51, it does not work - there is a clearly discernible gap between mp3s created from a a continuous mix. XMPlay has no such limitation with the same files.

Went back into plugins and reactivated Shibatch plugin.

One word:

TIN.

This was not entirely unexpected as I had tried a variant of this plugin on Winamp a while back and had essentially the same results.

All in all I am, as expected, neutral about what I've experienced. I didn't expect any changes at this time as I was repeatedly assured none were made. I look forward to those projected changes with interest - at this point in time, from an audio quality perspective the player is status quo with 4.51.

I shall also be exploring the media library, essentially to see how the other half lives. :)

[Roj]

Wait, did you just say I would agree with you on something? o_O

:P
Yeah - that any discerned changes in audio quality at this point are pure unvarnished placebo (see, I even used your favorite work).

I've gone on record with my observations in this thread. The methodolgy used is fully documented so that anyone can duplicate it.

[Shadowraven]

I've got a better explanation for the sound quality improvements. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo)

;)

Yeah, I knew somebody would probably say that. All kidding aside, I did play them against each other (I still have both installed) and the new version does sound better. But that is, like has been said already here, due to the EQ. But, I am using an AWE64 sound card. So it's likely just about anything different would sound better to me and not "tinny".

[Toe]

I shall also be exploring the media library, essentially to see how the other half lives. :)
Pretty much the same thing I've been doing. I might be able to deal with it, having it set to filesystem view, and hiding the lower part.

[Lich]

AHHHH! Finally I got working ML. Problem was multy-user install, ML just can’t deal with it.

[Tokelil]

Funny how I have always said that ML's are for people that doesn't tag and organise their tags properly... After using the ML for a few hours I have tagged a good deal of files that I never got around to do. The ML makes proper tags even more crucial.

[madjo]

OK, took the plunge and installed the beta on a test box. Configuration is as follows:

- Creative Labs AudigyAre you sure that this is an unbiased test, Roj? :) given how you loathe the sound from an Audigy ;)

btw, It was never said by Paul that this dev build would have new input/decoder plugins... so testing sound output is useless with this build, because there was no change!
and anyone hearing differences between the two, should have their ears examined...

the only changes are
1) the shibatch eq plugin
2) the replaygain plugins (both of which you already turned off)
3) the mediaplayer thingy, (including the things by Gracenote)
and perhaps some things under the bonnet.

[BALTY]

Woo, and indeed Yay!

Playing with our new toy right now, it doesn't recognise my C500 mobile as a "sync device" =( but the new skin is pretty nice, and the library is quite fast - now to see how much torture it needs to break...

*manic laughter*
Forum page says "Silence is over" is done. Finally a real difference on this page. It too is the firsat post since,... oh about a year I guess!~

[madjo]

Forum page says "Silence is over" is done. Finally a real difference on this page. It too is the firsat post since,... oh about a year I guess!~
now don't exagerate.. these forums were placed somewhere in Februari... which is hardly 3 months away...

[o2xygen]

Is the icon not there? You may have to reboot to get it to work, if you haven't already.
I switched on my pc some minutes before to discover more the new QMP.. the tray icon is still missing...But when I click on that space, the music pauses/resumes. Switched to classic Desktop, but the Tray icon is still missing

[mirock]

(little issues here and there but that aside)DUDE!!!...first off i hubblely apologize for the "where the hell is it post" ....bow down at the feet and the GENIUS Quinn Bros.....DAMN THIS IS WHAT I HAVE WAIT FOR...(MAYBE NOT QUITE AS PATIENTLY AS MOST) But still been using QCD (QMP) faithfully since ver 3 and .....................HATS off Paul!!!! Where do i donate!!! (rolling up sleeve right now...)F**king amazing

[Roj]

Are you sure that this is an unbiased test, Roj? :) given how you loathe the sound from an Audigy ;)

It's adequate for these purposes. :)

btw, It was never said by Paul that this dev build would have new input/decoder plugins... so testing sound output is useless with this build, because there was no change!
and anyone hearing differences between the two, should have their ears examined...

I know. :)

However there were reports of that.

I just thought I'd level the playing field properly and see what there was to see in the process.

[o2xygen]

actually there is change...The xaudio EQ was replaced by Shibatch...
But you can realise it because you are not using the EQ... :bandit:

[BALTY]

now don't exagerate.. these forums were placed somewhere in Februari... which is hardly 3 months away...
No, I meant that it used to say version "4.50 is now available!" or something like that, for about a year now! Earlier today I commented on how there wasn't any big hoopla (officially) about the beta release. Paul changed that first post now since! Oh well, I sometimes get misunderstood :puzzled:
Peace out~

P.S. notice I'm excited now since the release :laugh:

[ace2701]

OK. Just installed it. I disabled all the Gracenote stuff (never use it anyway), and am just using the plugins that come with the build. No problems (so far). Loaded my playlists and they work fine. Did NOT install my enhancer dsp plugin and am quite pleased with the sound quality (on my Altec Lansing series 100 crackerboxes). The medium size skin looks great to me. Paul, great job! Matt, great skin. Now I'll try to port the QCD plugins and skins one by one and see how they work. Can anyone (Roj?) suggest an equilizer setting? (I'm using the "club" setting now.)

[Toe]

OK. Just installed it. I disabled all the Gracenote stuff (never use it anyway), and am just using the plugins that come with the build. No problems (so far). Loaded my playlists and they work fine. Did NOT install my enhancer dsp plugin and am quite pleased with the sound quality (on my Altec Lansing series 100 crackerboxes). The medium size skin looks great to me. Paul, great job! Matt, great skin. Now I'll try to port the QCD plugins and skins one by one and see how they work. Can anyone (Roj?) suggest an equilizer setting? (I'm using the "club" setting now.)
I suggest 'disabled' for most cases. :P

[Roj]

I suggest 'disabled' for most cases. :P
DITTO!!! (very vehemently)

[madjo]

OK. Just installed it. I disabled all the Gracenote stuff (never use it anyway), and am just using the plugins that come with the build. No problems (so far). Loaded my playlists and they work fine. Did NOT install my enhancer dsp plugin and am quite pleased with the sound quality (on my Altec Lansing series 100 crackerboxes). The medium size skin looks great to me. Paul, great job! Matt, great skin. Now I'll try to port the QCD plugins and skins one by one and see how they work. Can anyone (Roj?) suggest an equilizer setting? (I'm using the "club" setting now.)
Ace, if you don't mind the Equalizer.. I'd suggest just try the settings out, I'm still searching one for myself too.

[ace2701]

I suggest 'disabled' for most cases. :P

Well, thanks for the suggestion. Before I went to sleep last night (WAY past my usual bedtime - thank you very much Paul http://beta.quinnware.com/forum/images/emots/wink.gif ), I tried a test song, first on my older QCD version with the enhancer dsp, and then on the new QMP with various eq settings - encluding disabled. Honestly, with my older ears, I found the song to play richer,fuller and clearer with the dsp. With the new eq, both on and off, it sounded duller and - well - "washed out". increasing the treble just made it sound "tinny". Next, I'll copy over the enhancer plugin and see how that works. By the way, I did get the SCLister to work, so, at least on that point, I'm a happy camper.

[Toe]

Well, thanks for the suggestion. Before I went to sleep last night (WAY past my usual bedtime - thank you very much Paul http://beta.quinnware.com/forum/images/emots/wink.gif ), I tried a test song, first on my older QCD version with the enhancer dsp, and then on the new QMP with various eq settings - encluding disabled. Honestly, with my older ears, I found the song to play richer,fuller and clearer with the dsp. With the new eq, both on and off, it sounded duller and - well - "washed out". increasing the treble just made it sound "tinny". Next, I'll copy over the enhancer plugin and see how that works. By the way, I did get the SCLister to work, so, at least on that point, I'm a happy camper.
The only case where I'd reccomend that stuff is if you're stuck with cheap & crappy speakers or headphones. In that case, it's like mom's casserole: the stuff is completely tasteless on its own. So you dump some salt for the trebble, and some pepper for the bass, and pour whatever else you can find on it (stereo delay, crossfeed, etc), then it at least tastes like SOMETHING....

But, whatever floats your boat, I guess...

[rorythedog]

The only case where I'd reccomend that stuff is if you're stuck with cheap & crappy speakers or headphones. In that case, it's like mom's casserole: the stuff is completely tasteless on its own. So you dump some salt for the trebble, and some pepper for the bass, and pour whatever else you can find on it (stereo delay, crossfeed, etc), then it at least tastes like SOMETHING....

But, whatever floats your boat, I guess...

Brilliantly put!

And seconded!

[Roj]

Brilliantly put!

And seconded!
I read it and laughed my head off. :)

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I use the equaliser build into my soundcard. Just to get a bit more 'umpf'. By which i mean louder sound. I solely use the 'club' setting. All the other settings are a bit too extreme.

[acushla]

I read it and laughed my head off. :)

Which begs the question if whether or not you eat your FOOD flat?

[Diogen]

Hello from Russia! And sorry for my English...
I am very glad, that new version QCD is under development! I download new QMP and :( . His measure... on screen and in computer memory...
Playlist - separately, eq - separately...
I don't like this default skin!

And can you do a RUSSIAN part of your forum?!

А то блин задолбаешься писать на английском, сидеть вспоминать слова... =) Сайт ведь на русском есть!

[Shadowraven]

Which begs the question if whether or not you eat your FOOD flat?

Personally I like to "tart up" both just a bit! :rolleyes: