President Bush in the Netherlands

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Well, the time has come at last. President Bush has landed on a small airfield in the southern part of the Netherlands. He is on a visit to the only American cemetary in the Netherlands to commemorate the victory of the allied forces in world war II and to pay tribute and respect to the deaths of the american soldiers that fought in the war. This is particularly interesting because this American cemetary isnt the biggest in Europe. However, it is special because it is near Margraten in southern Limburg, province of the Netherlands, where all the dead bodies of fallen soldiers from across the border with Germany and Belgium were brought to and buried. As of today, many grave-stones are adopted by dutch families who will keep them clean and intact. This is rather unique and well, it just comes to show that the Dutch respect the fallen American heros of WW2. There are protests going on against Bush at the moment but mostly in Amsterdam far away.

One last thing to mention is that im currenly at my folks place in a village maybe only 3 kilometres away from the cemetary which Bush will visit tomorrow. :biggrin: All the roads are blocked at the moment and there is a lot of police here too. I dont think i'll try to get to see Pres. Bush though ha ha...i may look suspicious ;) :P (not).

[Shadowraven]

Too bad someone can't bomb the cemetary, but that would destroy the graves too, so it might not be worth it. Maybe you could just use him to plug any leaky dikes you may have. Please!

The only way I'd like to see him is through a scope.

Of course I wouldn't do anything, but it's nice to fantasize.

[jkrzok]

If Bush happened to visit your parents, found that he liked the Netherlands, so much so that he decided to resign the Presidency and seek political refuge there, well, there's a lot of people here that would be happy.

America is depending on you! It's time to suck it up and return the favor of WW2!

[Shadowraven]

Yeah! Destroy the Nazi invader!

Many of us here would have absolutely no problem with that at all, I assure you!

BTW, while you're at it, could you take Cheney too? He's nearly house broken and should be no more trouble than Bush is. Well, almost no more. :)

[Shadowraven]

If Bush happened to visit your parents, found that he liked the Netherlands, so much so that he decided to resign the Presidency and seek political refuge there, well, there's a lot of people here that would be happy.

America is depending on you! It's time to suck it up and return the favor of WW2!

He may need to seek refuge in another country if the Democrats win the next election. He may just be getting indicted then. Lord knows with what he's already done he should be. He should be impeached at the very least. He's committed at least one felony while in office.

[madjo]

well, I'm not particular fan of him being here... the war-seeking president commemorating a large war, of which we all said "this should not happen again"... and now look at where Bush has brought us... invasions and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq... but that is another discussion already done to death here (pun not intended)... :mad:

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

I'm shocked by the attitude of you guys. I mean, hello, this is a commemoration day to the fallen soldiers of WW2! You guys can say what you want but i was impressed by the speech Bush has given. I'm also happy that he thinks we dutch do a good job maintaining the cemetary in perfect order. Shadowraven, be careful of what you say.

[madjo]

I haven't heard the speech, so I can't really judge on that :)
I do agree that it is indeed a good thing that he commemorates the fallen soldiers of WW2.

Although I still think that it is inappropriate for him to be there, given the current wars that he is driving.
War on terror, war on iraq (Gulf war 2 or 3?), possibly war in iran or syria.

After the Second World War, everyone said "And this should not happen again", and here he is, planning wars all over the world, and in the middle east in particular, and for what? More needless bloodshed, because the people of Iraq aren't used to democracies, and can't really stand eachother.

That is what I'm against, it all seems a little bit hypocritical.

[rorythedog]

I'm shocked by the attitude of you guys. I mean, hello, this is a commemoration day to the fallen soldiers of WW2! You guys can say what you want but i was impressed by the speech Bush has given. I'm also happy that he thinks we dutch do a good job maintaining the cemetary in perfect order. Shadowraven, be careful of what you say.


Bush, like Blair, is a murderer. So he gave a good speech. Big deal. One swallow does not a summer make.

Actually, I thought his speech was crap. Well down to his usual standard. Mumble, mumble, mumble.

He's gonna be here soon as well, for the G8 summit. Rest assured, there'll be a welcome in the hillside.

As far as the US helping to liberate The Netherlands, all well and good. Pity they hadn't jumped in a bit sooner. That graveyard might not be so big today, eh?

[acushla]

As far as the US helping to liberate The Netherlands, all well and good. Pity they hadn't jumped in a bit sooner. That graveyard might not be so big today, eh?

Damned if they do interfere...damned if they don't.

[acushla]

I'm shocked by the attitude of you guys. I mean, hello, this is a commemoration day to the fallen soldiers of WW2! You guys can say what you want but i was impressed by the speech Bush has given. I'm also happy that he thinks we dutch do a good job maintaining the cemetery in perfect order. Shadowraven, be careful of what you say.

I have always thought that if Bush excelled at anything...then it would be the quality of his speeches. No leader today is even in the same ballpark. The unusual thing about this is apparently he is one of the few Presidents who actively oversees and contributes in the creation of the speech. Meaning that it is essentially his speech.

[jkrzok]

In situations like this I try real hard to seperate George Bush the man from the office of the Presidency. George Bush the man should be on trial. The President of the United States should of course be at any WW2 commemoration.

[acushla]

In situations like this I try real hard to seperate George Bush the man from the office of the Presidency. George Bush the man should be on trial. The President of the United States should of course be at any WW2 commemoration.

If we are going to discuss trials then let's not forget about Henry Kissinger.

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

As far as the US helping to liberate The Netherlands, all well and good. Pity they hadn't jumped in a bit sooner. That graveyard might not be so big today, eh?

They are fallen American soldiers, not dutch soldiers... I dont understand what you are getting at.

[Shadowraven]

I am definitely not ashamed of how I talk about the "Bush Pig", and I will not tone down how I talk about him. Or be "careful" about what I say about him. I don't live under Facism, yet.

Hitler made good speeches too. Does that mean he was a good man? Bush is nowhere near that league, but he is a criminal, and criminals are my business. Bush doesn't write his speeches, and he's coached on what to say. Left to his own devices he can barely speak or write anything. I've seen it when he tries to go it alone, truly a sad sight. He was always a mediocre student in school and was the only President to enter office with no writings to his name. He is an idiot. An idiot with a lot of power and influence. If that is not frightening idea, I don't know what is.

I would expect the President to commemorate our losses in WWII. Too bad our President isn't doing it, an imposter is. I find it unfortunate that it is him doing it. He is an insincere pig. Don't fall for his appearance of compassion, it is a very skillful show. He's an idiot, but a canny one.

[acushla]

I am definitely not ashamed of how I talk about the "Bush Pig", and I will not tone down how I talk about him. Or be "careful" about what I say about him. I don't live under Facism, yet.

Hitler made good speeches too. Does that mean he was a good man? Bush is nowhere near that league, but he is a criminal, and criminals are my business. Bush doesn't write his speeches, and he's coached on what to say. Left to his own devices he can barely speak or write anything. I've seen it when he tries to go it alone, truly a sad sight. He was always a mediocre student in school and was the only President to enter office with no writings to his name. He is an idiot. An idiot with a lot of power and influence. If that is not frightening idea, I don't know what is.

I would expect the President to commemorate our losses in WWII. Too bad our President isn't doing it, an imposter is. I find it unfortunate that it is him doing it. He is an insincere pig. Don't fall for his appearance of compassion, it is a very skillful show. He's an idiot, but a canny one.

Wow...this from the guy who is worried about somebody reading his emails and using it against him.

Maybe 'they' are looking in the wrong place.

[Shadowraven]

Wow...this from the guy who is worried about somebody reading his emails and using it against him.

Maybe 'they' are looking in the wrong place.

You know there still is a thing called free speech here, for now.

You make me out to be paranoid, and I am not. I said that I don't want anyone reading them except me. Is that such a ridiculous desire? I don't see boogiemen behind every tree, you know. I just like my privacy. I just want private things to remain private. The government doesn't read your e-mail, but they do monitor all electronic and telecommunications traffic with the "Predator" program that picks out key phrases and words. I can't say I'm thrilled with that, but it is not what I am primarily against. I don't like it it when private corporations are given access to that information, or when it's made easier for people to steal it for less-than-savory purposes. What is so hard to understand about that? I do know of these types of things happening already, so why should I make it easier for them?

[acushla]

but they do monitor all electronic and telecommunications traffic with the "Predator" program that picks out key phrases and words. I can't say I'm thrilled with that...

Thrills me...it is an attempt to keep us out of harms way, As for the rest...I don't know...perhaps living in Canada (I'm Canadian, you know!) we have a different sense of things. Perhaps we are more easy going and, dare I say this, enjoy life a little differently because we don't have to constantly feel a guilt and a desire to explain to everybody that I am not responsible for the shit my head guy is stirring up all over the world. Do you know what I mean? For you there is really no escape...you live with the weight of that knowledge all day long...the knowledge that many all over the globe dispise you...the flags everywhere so you do not forget for even a moment the great country you live in...a country that you are beginning to doubt is that great anymore..the flags which amount to silent loudspeakers droning out their message of submit, submit...like the loudspeakers in Muslim countries that sound 5 times a day calling the people to their knees...the flags = the loudspeakers = the chains that bind.

Not easy being an American these days...not even in America.

[jawpr]

[QUOTE=Shadowraven]I am definitely not ashamed of how I talk about the "Bush Pig", and I will not tone down how I talk about him. Or be "careful" about what I say about him. I don't live under Facism, yet.

Hitler made good speeches too. Does that mean he was a good man? Bush is nowhere near that league, but he is a criminal, and criminals are my business. Bush doesn't write his speeches, and he's coached on what to say. Left to his own devices he can barely speak or write anything. I've seen it when he tries to go it alone, truly a sad sight. He was always a mediocre student in school and was the only President to enter office with no writings to his name. He is an idiot. An idiot with a lot of power and influence. If that is not frightening idea, I don't know what is.

I would expect the President to commemorate our losses in WWII. Too bad our President isn't doing it, an imposter is. I find it unfortunate that it is him doing it. He is an insincere pig. Don't fall for his appearance of compassion, it is a very skillful show. He's an idiot, but a canny one.[/QUOTE


Your friends and neighbors there in Ohio must not share your views and opions. If I remember correctly, Ohio was the deciding votes that elected George W. Bush. America owes you a debt of gratitude for keeping John Kerry from becoming our president. We really would have been in serious trouble if Kerry had been elected. Talk about a man knowing nothing and standing for even less!

[Shadowraven]

Thrills me...it is an attempt to keep us out of harms way, As for the rest...I don't know...perhaps living in Canada (I'm Canadian, you know!) we have a different sense of things. Perhaps we are more easy going and, dare I say this, enjoy life a little differently because we don't have to constantly feel a guilt and a desire to explain to everybody that I am not responsible for the shit my head guy is stirring up all over the world. Do you know what I mean? For you there is really no escape...you live with the weight of that knowledge all day long...the knowledge that many all over the globe dispise you...the flags everywhere so you do not forget for even a moment the great country you live in...a country that you are beginning to doubt is that great anymore..the flags which amount to silent loudspeakers droning out their message of submit, submit...like the loudspeakers in Muslim countries that sound 5 times a day calling the people to their knees...the flags = the loudspeakers = the chains that bind.

Not easy being an American these days...not even in America.

I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties too. :rolleyes:

[Shadowraven]

Your friends and neighbors there in Ohio must not share your views and opions. If I remember correctly, Ohio was the deciding votes that elected George W. Bush. America owes you a debt of gratitude for keeping John Kerry from becoming our president. We really would have been in serious trouble if Kerry had been elected. Talk about a man knowing nothing and standing for even less!

Actually there ARE a lot of people here that question that "election". Whole lot of inconsistancies in it. Quite similar to Florida actually. But the Republicans have gotten good at the job of election fraud, media control, and misdirection of information.

Yeah, that would have been awfull if Kerry had been elected. Lord knows we wouldn't want to have someone in office that may have an actual clue about what is going on in the world and in this country. To paraphrase something said in the forum earlier "George Bush couldn't find a clue if he put on a clue suit, sprayed concentrated clue musk all over himself, and went out in the height of clue mating season into a crowd of horny clues". He is an idiot, plain and simple. An idiot without even the basic morals he claims to have. If you think he does, then you have NOT been paying attention. At least Kerry and especially Gore had an idea of what reality was. Lords knows we wouldn't want a smart President, right?

This is one subject you DO NOT want to get ME started on, trust me.

[acushla]

[QUOTE=Shadowraven] We really would have been in serious trouble if Kerry had been elected. Talk about a man knowing nothing and standing for even less!

I can tell you jawpr that I am behind you 100% on this one. A mistake that America might never have recovered from.

[jawpr]

Actuallt there ARE a lot of people here that question that "election". Whole lot of inconsistancies in it. Quite similar to Florida actually. But the Republicans have gotten good at the job of election fraud, media control, and misdirection of information.

Yeah, that would have been awfull if Kerry had been elected. Lord knows we wouldn't want to have someone in office that may have an actual clue about what is going on in the world and in this country. To paraphrase something said in the forum earlier "George Bush couldn't find a clue if he put on a clue suit, sprayed concentrated clue musk all over himself, and went out in the height of clue mating season into a crowd of horny clues". He is an idiot, plain and simple. An idiot without even the basic morals he claims to have. If you think he does, then you have NOT been paying attention. At least Kerry and especially Gore had an idea of what reality was. Lords knows we wouldn't want a smart President, right?


I hear the same message from democrats all the time. I just hadn't had me a good laugh this morning and I felt this might be my best bet to get one. Thanks! :laugh:

This is one subject you DO NOT want to get ME started on, trust me.


I hear the same message from democrats all the time. I just hadn't had me a good laugh all morning and felt this was my best bet to have one. Thanks!!!

[Shadowraven]

[QUOTE=jawpr]

I can tell you jawpr that I am behind you 100% on this one. A mistake that America might never have recovered from.

Kerry was far from an ideal choice for me, but anyone was better than Dubya. I would have preferred Gore or Edwards to Kerry, but you take what is available.

[acushla]

I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties too. :rolleyes:

You know Shadowraven...I consider this reply of yours about the best one you have ever made.

Why? Because it shows me you got stopped dead in your tracks. This hit something real inside of you...and you heard a truth that was not yours and a truth you didn't want to hear...but a truth you have known and denied for a long time...and now, with this, you could no longer not see it.

How does one reply to that?

I think you did it perfectly.

[jawpr]

[QUOTE=acushla]

but you take what is available.


WE DID!!!!!

[Shadowraven]

I hear the same message from democrats all the time. I just hadn't had me a good laugh all morning and felt this was my best bet to have one. Thanks!!!

Another mistaken assumption on your part. You see I don't like Bush and vote for the alternatives, so I must be a Democrat. Wrong, I'm not real fond of them either, but I'm picking the lesser of two evils. I also see that you are turning to the ususal mistake of making fun of your opponents. Bad form man.

The biggest problem I see with the right is that they have managed to convince people that speaking the truth is "liberal propoganda". Of course it is also the truth, but what of that? We can manufacture some more lies and spin the truth so the rubes will believe it.

I'm willing to bet your primary news source is Fox "News" as well, right. If not that, then some other source based in the U.S. If you want a more unbiased version of the actual facts, you'll need to go outside the U.S. to get it. It's been that way for at least 15 years now. Real investigative reporting in the U.S., by U.S. news corps, is pretty much dead now. Killed by the media corps who control it. They don't want those nasty facts wending their way to the American public. That's one reason we can't even see eye-to-eye with our nearest neighbors. It's sad that so many people here can't see that. I for one have always been skeptical of what I'm told, unless it is backed up by facts I can see. I don't believe anything either side says unless it can be proven.

[acushla]

[QUOTE=acushla]

Kerry was far from an ideal choice for me, but anyone was better than Dubya.

Wrong, wrong, wrong...think about what you are saying! Anybody? Anybody? Insane Ralph perhaps? What's that I hear you say...'well not Ralph'...well then I say if not Crazy Ralph then I will respectfully ask you to NEVER repeat that idiotic phrase ...anyone would be better...ever again.

[Shadowraven]

You know Shadowraven...I consider this reply of yours about the best one you have ever made.

Why? Because it shows me you got stopped dead in your tracks. This hit something real inside of you...and you heard a truth that was not yours and a truth you didn't want to hear...but a truth you have known and denied for a long time...and now, with this, you could no longer not see it.

How does one reply to that?

I think you did it perfectly.

No, you didn't stop me. I was being ironic.

You know that I feel that way about the U.S. already. I've been ashamed of what we have been allowing our government to do to other countries for a long time now. But only we can stop it. That is what I try to do.

I already know about the jingoist crap going on here. "We support our troops" and flags everywhere. Well I say if you support them so much put your money where your mouth is and give up your tax break for them. See how fast the jingoists shut their mouths then.

[madjo]

I'm willing to bet your primary news source is Fox "News" as well, right. If not that, then some other source based in the U.S. If you want a more unbiased version of the actual facts, you'll need to go outside the U.S. to get it. It's been that way for at least 15 years now. Real investigative reporting in the U.S., by U.S. news corps, is pretty much dead now. Killed by the media corps who control it. They don't want those nasty facts wending their way to the American public. That's one reason we can't even see eye-to-eye with our nearest neighbors. It's sad that so many people here can't see that. I for one have always been skeptical of what I'm told, unless it is backed up by facts I can see. I don't believe anything either side says unless it can be proven.
ghe, this ties in exactly with the episode of Doctor Who last night. :) (was set far into the future, about a media station which controlled the earth, and it was keeping the people from asking critical questions... I thought it sounded familiar, but now I know, it reminded me of FOX news, and CNN, both of which are far from unbiased, although I can only 'get' CNN here)

[Shadowraven]

[QUOTE=Shadowraven]

Wrong, wrong, wrong...think about what you are saying! Anybody? Anybody? Insane Ralph perhaps? What's that I hear you say...'well not Ralph'...well then I say if not Crazy Ralph then I will respectfully ask you to NEVER repeat that idiotic phrase ...anyone would be better...ever again.

Don't nitpick. You of all people should know what I meant. :rolleyes:

But I still think Kerry would have been better than Bush.

[acushla]

[QUOTE=acushla]

Don't nitpick. You of all people should know what I meant. :rolleyes:

But I still think Kerry would have been better than Bush.

I know what you meant all right...I simply wanted to point out that you obviously didn't...or we would not have had to hear that ridiculous phrase again. You have to wonder what moron came up with that in the first place. I was going to say Daffy Duck...but I wouldn't want to insult him either.

[acushla]

You know...I really, really, really like my Avatar...best one in the forum...if I do say so myself.

What is this thread about...Politics?

Good...then I'm right on track.

[Shadowraven]

[QUOTE=Shadowraven]


WE DID!!!!!

Yes, and we got the booby prize didn't we?

[Shadowraven]

[QUOTE=Shadowraven]

I know what you meant all right...I simply wanted to point out that you obviously didn't...or we would not have had to hear that ridiculous phrase again. You have to wonder what moron came up with that in the first place. I was going to say Daffy Duck...but I wouldn't want to insult him either.

Oh, I know exactly what I mean, trust me. I may be misinterpreted by others, but I'm not in doubt. I guess I should have been more specific, eh? You are right when you say not just anyone will do. I'll try to be clearer in the future! ;)