MyIE2 getting a name change

[Inthewoods]

New versions of MyIE2 are getting a new name: "Maxthon".....Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, does it?

Here's the Story (http://m2.overseasky.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=23267&PN=1)

Bet you can tell how really bored I am, posting stuff like this..Later, friends

[acozz]

MyIE2 doesn't exactly roll off the tongue either.

[jkrzok]

Is MyIE2 subject to the same security vulnerabilities IE is? I would think so, but then, what do I know?

[Sheepeh]

Yeah it is. All it is is a skin for IE that adds a little functionality.

[Tokelil]

Nothing official on their site yet it seems. Anyway, Im glad they change from MyIE2!

[Inthewoods]

Nothing official on their site yet it seems. Anyway, Im glad they change from MyIE2!


It's been HERE (http://m2.overseasky.net/) since Tuesday.

I don't like the name "MyIE2" either, but "Maxthon" is even worse! A little exploration of their forum says a lot of folks agree with me on that. However, the name won't stop me from using it.

[ahac]

IE is already losing the new browser war against Firefox and things like myIE or whatever they will be called just won't help much, because the no. 1 reason for people ditching IE are security problems.. and there is not much myIE can do about that.
The second thing is that people don't want a major change in their browsing habits.. that's why Firefox is so much more popular that Mozilla or Opera.

oh.. the name.. Maxthon.. is stupid. ;)

[Inthewoods]

IE is already losing the new browser war against Firefox

You've GOT to be kidding ...... ROFL

The survey in the image, by Imagiware for sites hosted by them also said, and I quote: "The only other browser with a significant share of users currently is Netscape."

The second thing is that people don't want a major change in their browsing habits.. that's why Firefox is so much more popular that Mozilla or Opera.


Actually, that's why MYIE2 is growing in popularity, since it's an IE interface, and it actually renders almost all pages correctly, which can't be said for Firefox. Oh and by the way, Firefox, at the core, IS Mozilla, just stripped down.

Yet More Browser Wars (http://www.quinnware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2120&highlight=firefox)

Firefox 0.9RC1 (http://www.quinnware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2104&highlight=firefox)

Plus in about a dozen other threads I found with a quick Google search.

oh.. the name.. Maxthon.. is stupid.

That's already been noted by a lot of people, including me :cross-eye

[Inthewoods]

OOPS...sorry about the image, the page is here: SURVEY (http://www.doctor-html.com/agent_stats/)

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

The link you provided also shows how many people browse with unknown browsers. It would be cool to browse with a browser that is 'unknown' :P. Anyone have any ideas for likely candidates? :devil:

[Toe]

One thing to keep in mind is that browser usage can vary pretty significantly from site to site. Here's a rough breakdown from visitors to my website:

Internet Explorer: 76%
- IE6: 70%
- IE5.x: 6%
- other versions: insignificant

Netscape: 1%
- NS7.x: 0.5%
- NS4.x: 0.5%
- other versions: insignificant

Gecko-based browsers*: 16%
Mozilla: 10%
Firefox/Firebird/Phoenix: 5%
others (K-Meleon, Galeon, etc): 1%
*excluding NS6/7, which are in the Netscape section

Opera: 2% (likely higher, Opera identifies itself as IE by default)

Safari: 1%
Konqueror: 0.5%
(Safari is based on Konq's HTML renderer, KHTML)

The rest is made up of various phone/PDA browsers, WebTV, wget, lynx, the occasional Dreamcast, etc. None of them really significant by themselves ATM.

As that page linked earlier said, you have to know your audience. I've long since dropped support for Netscape 4.x. I'm certainly not the only one (http://espn.go.com/browserupgrade_long.html). As the doctor-html page indicates, use of IE5.x has been dropping rapidly in the last year, almost to the point where I'm ready to stop supporting it. (Unfortunately IE6's renderer ain't a whole hell of a lot better...) As it stands now, I build my pages for Gecko first, and then check them in Opera and IE. I'd check it in KHTML, but I lack a machine capable of running it. (Safari is Mac-only and Konqueror is Linux-only, nobody's made a win32 version.)


(BTW, Nokia just made a deal to fund development of a version of Mozilla/Gecko for their portable devices. Given that Nokia is the largest phone maker, if Gecko becomes their standard browser, it will pretty much automaticly become the dominant moble browser.)

[ahac]

My website (not realy mine, but I run it now) has IE at about 50% and Geckos at 25% with 3 to 5% change every month. (stats include google bot and other stuff like that) Also.. I'm not sure how the statistics detect Opera when it's set to identify itself as IE. So as far as I'm concerned.. IE is losing a lot!

But.. that's a computer site.. so my users are way ahead of the average internet user..

oh.. and IE is the one that renders more pages incorrectly.. not Firefox..
it's just that the pages are also incorrectly made (not following the standards) since they are optimized for IE.
So is my page.. because only IE needs aditional "optimization" when the page is already done. But it still looks much better in Firefox.

ps. sorry for going offtopic.

[Inthewoods]

oh.. and IE is the one that renders more pages incorrectly.. not Firefox..
it's just that the pages are also incorrectly made (not following the standards) since they are optimized for IE.


Sorry, but you are sadly mistaken. Your misconception is in the use of the phrase "not following the standards". What standards?? The Plus (+) standard? 3.2?? 4.0?? RFC1866? W3C? There are literally more than a dozen so-called "standards" for HTML.

Furthermore, even if you choose to believe the pages are "made incorrectly" as you say and are optimized for IE, they are not rendered incorrectly in IE, are they?

[ahac]

There are literally more than a dozen so-called "standards" for HTML.
And what Frontpage makes and calls html is not one of them.

[Sheepeh]

whenever I fix someones computer for them (I do a lot of that) I remove all access to IE and install Firefox - not had a single complaint yet, and when shown all the things it does over IE - tabs, blocking ads, stopping pop-ups, auto updating, they love it so much as to ask why it isn't bundled with Windows instead of IE!

Chalk up a victory for the Anti-IE brigade =)

[Inthewoods]

whenever I fix someones computer for them (I do a lot of that) I remove all access to IE and install Firefox - not had a single complaint yet, and when shown all the things it does over IE - tabs, blocking ads, stopping pop-ups, auto updating, they love it so much as to ask why it isn't bundled with Windows instead of IE!

Chalk up a victory for the Anti-IE brigade =)


Like I've said before, IE can do all those things with IE2, but in the end, I guess it's whatever floats your boat. I prefer a fairly bug free browser that renders properly and doesn't have a memory leak as big as a sewer pipe...

[Sheepeh]

Like I've said before, IE can do all those things with IE2, but in the end, I guess it's whatever floats your boat. I prefer a fairly bug free browser that renders properly and doesn't have a memory leak as big as a sewer pipe...
Indeed. I just prefer my browser bugs to be insignificant as opposed to compromising my whole PC's security.

[matty28carter]

Indeed. I just prefer my browser bugs to be insignificant as opposed to compromising my whole PC's security.

agreed. :evolved:

[Inthewoods]

Indeed. I just prefer my browser bugs to be insignificant as opposed to compromising my whole PC's security.

Oh please.............

Link 1 (http://www.mozilla.org/security/shell.html)

Link 2 (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1621451,00.asp)

Note this from link 2: "Internet Explorer is reported as being less vulnerable. When the user clicks on the link, it opens an "open/save" dialog box in which the user is allowed either to run the program, save it to disk or cancel. Mozilla and Firefox simply run the program without any further user action."

Link 3 (http://secunia.com/advisories/11999/)

Note this from Link 3:


Found: 15 Related Secunia Security Advisories


- Mozilla Fails to Restrict Access to "shell:"
- Multiple Browsers Frame Injection Vulnerability
- Mozilla Browser Address Bar Spoofing Weakness
- Multiple Browsers Telnet URI Handler File Manipulation Vulnerability
- Mozilla / NSS S/MIME Implementation Vulnerability
- Mozilla Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
- Mozilla Status Bar Manipulation Weakness
- Mozilla "irc:" URI Handler Denial of Service
- Multiple Browser Cookie Path Directory Traversal Vulnerability
- Mozilla, Opera and Netscape Security Model Violation
- Multiple IMAP Clients System Access Vulnerabilities
- Mozilla and Netscape race condition
- Mozilla/Netscape remotely expoitable heap overflow
- Mozilla based browsers suffer privacy leak
- Zero width GIFs may cause exploitable heap corruption in numerous browsers

[matty28carter]

And that the bug in mozilla was fixed within 24hours. And now IE is found to be just as vunerable.

[Inthewoods]

And that the bug in mozilla was fixed within 24hours. And now IE is found to be just as vunerable.

You guys just are not understanding what I'm getting at. I'm not saying IE/MyIE2 is better, just that it's no worse.

It's like I said, whatever browser you like, by all means, use it. I just don't like seeing something bashed without proof. I've stated why I like IE with MyIE2, it's just my opinion, but it's based on evidence I've presented:

1. It renders pages better.
Response : Yes but the pages are not written to "the standard"

2. What "standard" do you mean? There are lots of "standards"
Response : Yes but Frontpage isn't standard.

3. Firefox has a memory leak issue.
Response : Yes but it's more secure.

4. Firefox is just as insecure, check these links:
Response : Yes but it was fixed faster, and IE is just as bad. (see the quote above)

I could go on and on defending my position, and the Firefox fanatics could go on with a whole string of "Yes but......", but that misses the point, which is that no browser is even close to ideal. If anything, there are other browsers, like Opera, which are probably better at some things than either IE or FF. But there are good reasons to have options.

Like I said, I'm neither for or against Firefox, I just like IE better and it's no worse or better than any other, just different! Use whatever browser you like. But don't claim that Firefox renders better, is more "standard", is less bloated, or more secure, because it's simply not true.

[Aaron]

irefox, I just like IE better and it's no worse or better than any other, just different! Use whatever browser you like. But don't claim that Firefox renders better, is more "standard", is less bloated, or more secure, because it's simply not true.

It's good to have choices - agreed.

Personally I like FireFox because it seems to be actively developed and supported. There are a lot of pretty nice themes and extensions being developed on a regular basis that make browsing fun. Nice to run it on Linux as well.

Internet Explorer has been neglected by Microsoft (except for numerous security patches). Indeed you are using a third party utility MyIE2 to provide missing features in IE you are wanting to use.

Putting aside the debatable claims about rendering and standards I think its a fair enough comment to say that FF (and indeed Opera) has a more active development and support schedule than IE.

It's all about choices though - we should be thankfull we have some.
:cool:

Aaron

[Toe]

Oh please.............
Let's do a little comparison here, shall we, Inthewoods?

"Secunia currently has 5 Secunia advisories affecting Mozilla Firefox 0.x." (http://secunia.com/product/3256/)

"Secunia currently has 55 Secunia advisories affecting Microsoft Internet Explorer 6." (http://secunia.com/product/11/)

:o

Memory? Currently my copy of Firefox has been up and running for a couple days now. I've got 10 tabs open, and it's using about 72MB of memory, including a few days worth of cache. Let's see what happens when I open 10 IE windows to those same pages, without counting for extra cache from other pages....

http://www.toejob.org/forumpics/ie_memory.png

My goodness, that adds up to over 200MB!

Granted, that may be handled a bit better with MyIE2 (haven't tested), but there's still plenty of other reasons why I won't use it...

1. It renders pages better.
Response : Yes but the pages are not written to "the standard"

2. What "standard" do you mean? There are lots of "standards"
Response : Yes but Frontpage isn't standard.
You wanna talk standards? Here's something for you to chew on: "The way Internet Explorer renders pages" isn't even a standard within itself! Every version of IE in use handles things differently. Consider IE's box model (http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/box-model.html) or float (http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/floatmodel.html) bugs. Every version of Internet Explorer handles them differently, leaving the poor web designer with multiple incompatible 'standards' just in trying to support IE! If that ain't bad enough, sometimes the same copy of IE on the same machine will render essentially identical code two different ways.

Just for fun, here's a couple lovely pics of how IE renders pages that I've snapped while testing web pages that I've developed.

http://www.toejob.org/forumpics/wtf_ie.jpg
That broken blue-green outline in the back should be one continuous outline of a square.

Picture of a text box in Internet Explorer. (rendered properly)
http://www.toejob.org/forumpics/ie_textarea_1.png

Picture of that exact text box, after pressing the 'a' key on my keyboard.
http://www.toejob.org/forumpics/ie_textarea_2.png

[Inthewoods]

It's good to have choices - agreed.

Personally I like FireFox because it seems to be actively developed and supported. There are a lot of pretty nice themes and extensions being developed on a regular basis that make browsing fun. Nice to run it on Linux as well.

Internet Explorer has been neglected by Microsoft (except for numerous security patches). Indeed you are using a third party utility MyIE2 to provide missing features in IE you are wanting to use.

Putting aside the debatable claims about rendering and standards I think its a fair enough comment to say that FF (and indeed Opera) has a more active development and support schedule than IE.

It's all about choices though - we should be thankfull we have some.
:cool:

Aaron

You're right about other browsers having more active development and support schedules. Nevertheless, FF and Opera developments are more toward themes and extensions (plugins), as you pointed out, and that is on a par with the development of MyIE2, which is changing rapidly.

The bottom line, as you mentioned, is about choices..."Different strokes for different folks"

[Tokelil]

Well my instance of MyIE2 has been running for 6+ hours and at moment have 9 tabs open and uses less than 25MB...

Anyway, I couldn't care less what people use as browser engine. (Besides the security reason doesn't hold IMO, since they dont have near the same user base.)

[Inthewoods]

Well my instance of MyIE2 has been running for 6+ hours and at moment have 9 tabs open and uses less than 25MB...

Anyway, I couldn't care less what people use as browser engine. (Besides the security reason doesn't hold IMO, since they dont have near the same user base.)

Yep I agree. Reminds me of the old days on Screensavers when Leo and Patrick would laugh it up when there was another security hole in Windows and say "OSX doesn't have those problems, you should switch to a Mac""

[jkrzok]

RIP Screensavers. It's nothing without Leo and Pat :grimreape :grimreape :grimreape

[Inthewoods]

RIP Screensavers. It's nothing without Leo and Pat :grimreape :grimreape :grimreape

That's for sure. I no longer have any reason to tune into that abomination known as "G4TechTV"....it's a joke.

[Aaron]

These new browser wars are a ton of fun :cheeky:

http://www.switch2firefox.com/

(in the vein of Apple's switcher campaign)

Cheers,

Aaron

[GildedSplinter]

I hate it when in the middle of a heated debate, people start saying stuff like "...it doesn't really matter... it's all about preference" and "different strokes for different folks" and all that wishy washy crap. I'm aware that the original intent of this thread was not to say X is better than Y, but clearly that is the path of its evolution. If you have nothing to interject... DON'T!!! Perhaps your presence would be better appreciated in the e-hippies thread where there's lots & lots of nice, soft, grey comments that commit to nothing, where everybody agrees with everything all of the time.

Now, on to business...

I was a devout Firefox fan for quite some time. I had many an opportunity to A/B between Firefox and IE because IE opens by default when I check my Hotmail account. Here's the comparison... I'm rollerblading with the greatest of ease down an airport runway. The runway abrubtly comes to an end, and and turns immediately into a swamp which still needs to be crossed in order to check my mail. I don't know if that dramatic difference had more to do with my dial-up service or my older 800mhz machine, but there was a substancial slow down when going from Firefox to IE. I had tried a number of other browsers, but Firefox was where I had settled in. I liked the way it looked, & operated, and it was light on the resources. I had tried Opera, but it didn't seem to play well with my dial up. I FINALLY got my DSL service, and gave Opera a second chance, and it's the best thing I've ever done. I LOVE Opera, and don't see myself going back anytime soon. I haven't found anything that didn't render correctly and quickly, and you can customize the crap out of it. Opera is exactly what you want it to be... all inclusive or bare bones. YOU get to decide. I think that most people don't take the time to learn how to customise it. They just start it, don't like something about it, and uninstall it. Believe me people... spend the time learning how to use it... IT'S WORTH IT!!! :bandit:

[Qaz]

I hate it when in the middle of a heated debate, people start saying stuff like "...it doesn't really matter... it's all about preference" and "different strokes for different folks" and all that wishy washy crap. I'm aware that the original intent of this thread was not to say X is better than Y, but clearly that is the path of its evolution. If you have nothing to interject... DON'T!!! Perhaps your presence would be better appreciated in the e-hippies thread where there's lots & lots of nice, soft, grey comments that commit to nothing, where everybody agrees with everything all of the time.
But you really can't force anyone to like something, can you? And I'm pretty sure we've had enough arguments about browsers so everyone here knows that IE isn't the only choice (which imo is the most important value in these discussions). But gotta agree with you 'bout Opera :heart:

[jkrzok]

I've got to second Gildedsplinter's remarks about Opera. I've been using it since its 3.21 days (its now at 7.5) and I love it, especially now with integrated mail/RSS feeds and chat (two clicks gets me to QCD's chat room). It's really become a one stop internet app that does everything I need, does it well, quickly, with no significant resource use by my computer. It's terribly easy to set up; I've got it set up exactly the way I want it.

Which may be part of the problem with looking at other apps. I've had years to figure out how to set up Opera to my liking; it's difficult to give Firefox\Mozilla that sort of attention. I don't really see a need to, Opera isn't broken so why fix it? To make the switch I'd have to get at least 3 apps (browser, mail, and chat) and that adds another consideration when thinking about switching.

Firefox is a fine app but there always is a learning curve when looking to switch apps. This is why a new app always seems to come up short in comparison to what I'm now using.

Firefox is free however and if Opera ever ceased to meet my needs I would consider Firefox to be my next choice.

[rorythedog]

I hate it when in the middle of a heated debate, people start saying stuff like "...it doesn't really matter... it's all about preference" and "different strokes for different folks" and all that wishy washy crap. I'm aware that the original intent of this thread was not to say X is better than Y, but clearly that is the path of its evolution. If you have nothing to interject... DON'T!!! Perhaps your presence would be better appreciated in the e-hippies thread where there's lots & lots of nice, soft, grey comments that commit to nothing, where everybody agrees with everything all of the time.

Now, on to business...

I was a devout Firefox fan for quite some time. I had many an opportunity to A/B between Firefox and IE because IE opens by default when I check my Hotmail account. Here's the comparison... I'm rollerblading with the greatest of ease down an airport runway. The runway abrubtly comes to an end, and and turns immediately into a swamp which still needs to be crossed in order to check my mail. I don't know if that dramatic difference had more to do with my dial-up service or my older 800mhz machine, but there was a substancial slow down when going from Firefox to IE. I had tried a number of other browsers, but Firefox was where I had settled in. I liked the way it looked, & operated, and it was light on the resources. I had tried Opera, but it didn't seem to play well with my dial up. I FINALLY got my DSL service, and gave Opera a second chance, and it's the best thing I've ever done. I LOVE Opera, and don't see myself going back anytime soon. I haven't found anything that didn't render correctly and quickly, and you can customize the crap out of it. Opera is exactly what you want it to be... all inclusive or bare bones. YOU get to decide. I think that most people don't take the time to learn how to customise it. They just start it, don't like something about it, and uninstall it. Believe me people... spend the time learning how to use it... IT'S WORTH IT!!! :bandit:


You're probably right. Now, where's this e-hippies thread?

[Toe]

I've got nothing against Opera. Its renderer has some quirks, but it's not nearly as much of a PITA to work with as IE's. Pretty decent interface too. If it were free (no adware, no crackware) I'd give it serious consideration as my main browser.

[Todd The Kiwi]

IE = free
MO'FOX (& ilk) = free
AVANT = free

OPERA = although customizable as , isn't free is it.
which gets me wondering...why
i think i'll reinstall opera - comes 'standard' with resuming features
no add-ons like all the afformentioned

IE (as far as i'm aware) won't resume
MO'FOX needs (among others) the "downloadwith" extension
AVANT (as far as i could tell) needs flashget

i haven't used myie2 so i can't comment on it...

none of these liked multiple (more than one) ftp downloads though

p.s resumability was THE ONLY REASON i switched from IE to mo'fox
mo'fox has too much competition now for me to only use IT
i have autoupdate (windows) on so i never have to use IE ever again...:skull:

p.p.s these forums usually look hideous in mo'fox but i'm used to it now :o

[Inthewoods]

Todd,

For what it's worth, MYIE2 will resume (It's a selectable option).

[hedge]

Todd,

For what it's worth, MYIE2 will resume (It's a selectable option).
Yep, I would use MYIE2 if someone forced me too with a large IE RENDERING stick.

[Aaron]

Perhaps your presence would be better appreciated in the e-hippies thread where there's lots & lots of nice, soft, grey comments that commit to nothing, where everybody agrees with everything all of the time.

But I thought that all open-source programmers/advocates were a bunch of long-haired hippies. Probably sandal-wearing communists as well.

:evil:

[Inthewoods]

But I thought that all open-source programmers/advocates were a bunch of long-haired hippies. Probably sandal-wearing communists as well.

:evil:ROFLMAO

[ahac]

IE is not really free. It's part of Windows which you have to pay.
Like tires that come with a new car.

[jkrzok]

IE for Mac is free. I don't think it comes with the OS there.

[Aaron]

IE for Mac is free. I don't think it comes with the OS there.

It comes with OS X but its a really flakey old version. Microsoft are not supporting it no doubt due to Apple telling them where to go. :evil:

The default browser on OS X is safari: http://www.apple.com/safari/. Which is itself built of the Konquerer/KHTML technology (http://konqueror.kde.org/) developed as part of the KDE http://www.kde.org desktop project for X-Windows.

What I like about this situation is the apple engineers made a number of enhancements to the KHTML core of Safari which in turn are made available back to the Konquerer team.

In this way others (e.g. KDE users) benefit. A good example of open-source working well in both commercial and free environments.

But yeah IE isn't really free on Windows at least - you are implicitly paying for it as part of the OS.

Aaron