On the origins of music

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

Well since everyone is so hotly discussing where specific types of music come from and from where they are influenced by and what makes one particular type of music so good, i made this thread. So post here whatever you think about the origins of music, be it blues, jazz, dnb. rock, trance, pop, heavy metal, whatever. ;)

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

About trance music:

Trance music is a subgenre of electronic dance music that developed in the 1990s. Perhaps the most ambiguous genre in the realm of electronic dance music (EDM), trance could be described as a melodic, more-or-less freeform style of music derived from a combination of techno and house. Regardless of its precise origins, to many club-goers, party-throwers, and EDM adherents, trance is held as a significant development within the greater sphere of (post-)modern dance music.

While there is no strict definition for "trance," songs of this genre are usually characterized as being accessible and having "anthemic" qualities. Using that as a starting point, a basic trance track could then be described as being comprised of a particular melodic and/or vocal hook which is given presence over an uncomplicated bassline, a simple drum pattern (which often includes snare and/or kick drum rolls to mark "big moments"), and perhaps one or two other semi-quantified aural elements to provide texture and enhance the rhythm. Trance also usually features more complicated chord progressions and melodies than were found in the music at the time, including 4 chord progressions symptomatic of 80's new wave music. However, not all trance fits that profile, and often times a song's classification as "trance" has just as much to do with who is playing it as what it sounds like.

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trance_music

[Roj]

About trance music:

Trance music is a subgenre of electronic dance music that developed in the 1990s.

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trance_musicUm, no. The roots of trance go back MUCH further.

Trance has its roots in electronic Eurodisco which started to show up in the very late 70s and came to prominence in countries such as Italy, Germany, Belgium and even Canada (LONG before it hit this side of the pond) in the early to mid 80s. In fact, just about every element of trance that you hear today is a stone cold ripoff of the music from that timeframe. Consider the following artists (prepare to Google :) ):

Fun Fun
Tantra (from the late 70s)
The Twins
Giorgio Moroder
Lime
Gino Soccio

DJ subscription-only labels like Disconet, Hot Tracks and Razormaid had trance mixes well before the term was even coined.

You also had artists from the US during that era that added their own significant and distinct flavor to the mix:

Patrick Cowley
Sylvester
Paul Parker
Bobby Orlando

In fact the whole Megatone Records family out of San Francisco and O Records And Visuals played a major part in the synthesized sound that today is called trance.

How do I know this?

Simple.

I was there.

I used to be a club DJ in one of my many lives from the late 70s to the mid 80s when I finally "retired".

[hedge]

Haha DJ Roj Breakin' it Down!!!
Damn, what don't you know about music :shocked:

[Inthewoods]

Roj, your knowledge, as well as the ability to analyze it, sort through it, and draw logical conclusions, is simply amazing, as well as refreshing after the last couple of days. Thanks for the insight.

I realized I had spelled "insight" as "incite", as in "incite a riot" LOL Nope, no way, not goin' there.

[Roj]

Roj, your knowledge, as well as the ability to analyze it, sort through it, and draw logical conclusions, is simply amazing, as well as refreshing after the last couple of days. Thanks for the insight.
Thanks - for better or for worse those traits are the cornerstone of my current career in IT.

I realized I had spelled "insight" as "incite", as in "incite a riot" LOL Nope, no way, not goin' there.
ROFLMAO. You're not wrong on either count - I think it's become pretty obvious that I'm perfectly capable of doing either [BFEG]. :) :) :)

[Roj]

Haha DJ Roj Breakin' it Down!!!
Damn, what don't you know about music :shocked:
It was most definitely incredible fun while it lasted. I think one of the hardest things I ever did was leave it for a so-called "responsible" daytime career. In my own mind I should never have gotten away from music as a career choice - that was one of the few left turns I've made when I should have gone right... :(

Oh well.

[rorythedog]

It was most definitely incredible fun while it lasted. I think one of the hardest things I ever did was leave it for a so-called "responsible" daytime career. In my own mind I should never have gotten away from music as a career choice - that was one of the few left turns I've made when I should have gone right... :(

Oh well.


Nothin' wrong with turnin' to the LEFT mate.
:paranoid:

[Roj]

Nothin' wrong with turnin' to the LEFT mate.
:paranoid:
LOL!

[Inthewoods]

Thanks - for better or for worse those traits are the cornerstone of my current career in IT.


You've probably said before that you were an IT guy, guess I missed that. I'm about to embark on a "career move" (boy is THAT a stretch, LOL) to a position that actually has "IT" in the job title...ok what I really mean is I'm changing jobs, LOL. I really wish sometimes I could go back to the days when the flavor of the day, advice wise, was "get a real job", and well, I did and now.....you know what I'm talking about.

Gee wiz, was that list bit a run-on sentence or what????

[Roj]

You've probably said before that you were an IT guy, guess I missed that. I'm about to embark on a "career move" (boy is THAT a stretch, LOL) to a position that actually has "IT" in the job title...ok what I really mean is I'm changing jobs, LOL. I really wish sometimes I could go back to the days when the flavor of the day, advice wise, was "get a real job", and well, I did and now.....you know what I'm talking about.
Yeah mon, I surely do...

[Rex_Mundi_Incarnit]

That is very impressive Roj. Congratulations! :) I guess you are right about the roots of trance and that it was already shaping up in the 80s. I recall other artists that started this new sub-genre of electronic music such as Depeche Mode and Moby. However, wikipedia is not wrong though. Trance as a fully independent genre of music with it's subsequent sub-genres such as "Melodic trance", " progressive trance" and "goa" did, to my knowledge, develop in the early 90s. It is also quite interesting to read about the origin of electronic music itself. Have a look here (http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/e/el/electronic_music_1.html)

[Roj]

That is very impressive Roj. Congratulations! :) I guess you are right about the roots of trance and that it was already shaping up in the 80s. I recall other artists that started this new sub-genre of electronic music such as Depeche Mode and Moby. However, wikipedia is not wrong though. Trance as a fully independent genre of music with it's subsequent sub-genres such as "Melodic trance", " progressive trance" and "goa" did, to my knowledge, develop in the early 90s. It is also quite interesting to read about the origin of electronic music itself. Have a look here (http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/e/el/electronic_music_1.html)Depeche Mode, New Order, Human League - all great bands that pioneered what became known as electropop when it became more mainstream. Ya gotta hear Tantra's "The Hills of Katmandu". That 16 minute (?) monster came out in 1979 and sounds SOOOOO much like modern melodic trance. The next really seminal example I remember is the Patrick Cowley remix of Donna Summer's "I Feel Love". That was another greater-than-12-minutes monster that took an already great synthesized song and with awesome additional overlays turned it into one hell of a zoned-out experience (talk about the "I'm-liquored-and-dancing-on-top-of-the-bass-bins-at-2:00AM" mindset :) ).

Moby came MUCH later but I do love his stuff - I'd kill to see the man live.

I'll check out that link and thanks. :)

[matty28carter]

Moby came MUCH later but I do love his stuff - I'd kill to see the man live.

So would i! Changing the subject slightly... tell u who u dont wanna see live is David Bowie, christ he was crap. I saw him at the Isle Of Wight festival this year and i thought he'd be good. Was he hell. He gets on stage does a song then says "well i'm completely pissed" does another song and they just sounded awful. He didn't have a clue what he was doing when he wasn't singin' either just walked up and down the stage. Really dissapointed by him. However The Who. The Who were amazing. Pete Townsend and Roger Daltrey bloody brilliant. Lol the started having a go at each other on stage coz some1 handed Daltrey the wrong harmonica and Townsend started taking the piss! Brilliant. :rolleyes:

[Roj]

So would i! Changing the subject slightly... tell u who u dont wanna see live is David Bowie, christ he was crap. I saw him at the Isle Of Wight festival this year and i thought he'd be good. Was he hell. He gets on stage does a song then says "well i'm completely pissed" does another song and they just sounded awful. He didn't have a clue what he was doing when he wasn't singin' either just walked up and down the stage. Really dissapointed by him. However The Who. The Who were amazing. Pete Townsend and Roger Daltrey bloody brilliant. Lol the started having a go at each other on stage coz some1 handed Daltrey the wrong harmonica and Townsend started taking the piss! Brilliant. :rolleyes:
REALLY disappointing about Bowie - I'd most definitely have expected far better. Dunno if we're gonna get a chance to see The Who out there again any time soon what with the knot Petey has gotten his shorts into...

[matty28carter]

...The Who out there again any time soon what with the knot Petey has gotten his shorts into...

There were a few chants from the crowd about old pete. Like his name a four letter chant begining also with P. Rhymed with speedo(i don't think u need me to point that out to figure it out!).
:normal:

[Roj]

There were a few chants from the crowd about old pete. Like his name a four letter chant begining also with P. Rhymed with speedo(i don't think u need me to point that out to figure it out!).
:normal:
Heh...

Wonder how much of it could actually be substantiated... I mean oyu hear so much crap about celebs these days.

[matty28carter]

Heh...

Wonder how much of it could actually be substantiated... I mean oyu hear so much crap about celebs these days.

Well he was aquited. But recently there was a judge charged with a similar offence he was "looking to see how easily it could be obtained". yeah mate, sure u were...
:reallymad

[rorythedog]

Pete Townshend was only brought to trial because tracks of his internet behaviour were found on his PC. i.e. cookies. No images were found there. He was stupid to have used his credit card, but then if you're innocent, maybe you don't think of these things. On the other hand, if you are truly innocent, then why would you cover it up. I suspect that if he was really 'into' that type of thing, with his money, nobody would ever have heard of it. A judge on the other hand, well I could believe anything. Yet again, more media sensationalism. Just as well there aren't any real stories out there. Eh?