Firefox 0.9RC1 [Archive] - Quintessential Forum

Roj

06-11-2004, 11:54 AM

Firefox 0.9RC1 was released on Wednesday. Its got quite a few updates and a few new features etc. The offical release is expected next week (apparinatly). http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/0.9rc/
How stable is it? It (and Mozilla) had an annoying tendency to wander off into the ethernet consuming vast quantities of real and virtual memory when I used it to display *huge* pages of stats from my antivirus gateways at the office. Opera did that flawlessly. Firefox and Mozilla would hang randomly.

Sheepeh

06-11-2004, 01:03 PM

I don't like it much. For something supposedly so close to release, the interface is all over the show and it just feels a bit too flakey still.

I'll stick with the Suite until 1.0 at least.

matty28carter

06-11-2004, 01:59 PM

I've decided to hold off installing it to be honest. I've read a few peeps having problems with it, mainly minor gripes however it is only a beta (technically) really so i'll wait till its released probably at the end of next week. :evolved:

Sheepeh

06-11-2004, 03:32 PM

0.9 is a beta too ;)

#The fREaK!

06-11-2004, 05:56 PM

The bugs that bugged me in v0.8 are fixed! Finally...

Todd The Kiwi

06-12-2004, 02:23 AM

well it looks like delta has done a runner... :nervous:
this thread looks weird without a row 7 of 9 pics going down the left side of my screen ha ha ha ha :skull:

GildedSplinter

06-12-2004, 06:08 PM

Firefox 0.9RC1 was released on Wednesday. Its got quite a few updates and a few new features etc. The offical release is expected next week (apparinatly). http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/0.9rc/
I was so giddy about a newer and even better Fox, that I couldn't wait. Thus far it has been a series of weirdness ever since. The very first weirdness is that, though I clicked on "download 0.9", everything there after referred to 0.8, and whe I finally opened it the first time, I thought it had given me 0.8!
I uninstalled and did it again. Same results, with the exception that all of my plugins & icons etc., were gone. I had expected to see more noticable changes, but that's not a problem. I started surfing around and noticed that I was able to move around a little quicker (the slightest increase in speed is detectable when yer hooked up at 21.6k via piss-poor dial up). I finished my evening under those circumstances. I fired up the PC this morning and tried to get online via 0.9, and my RAM completely DUMPED and NOTHING would load! I tried closing & re-opening a few times, but with the same results. I switched to MyIE2 for the sake of this post and to check my mail, but I'm gonna blow out 0.9 & reinstall 0.8. I, too shall wait untill 1.0 is released, cuz now I gotta spend the day re-customizing my 'zilla and looking for stuff that wuz lost throughout this little experiment.

Inthewoods

06-12-2004, 11:54 PM

We lost him to the dark side...

The darkside...........now would that be Darkamp5 or Darkbar2000? :cross-eye

Todd The Kiwi

06-13-2004, 03:08 AM

The darkside...........now would that be Darkamp5 or Darkbar2000? :cross-eye

neither of these are worthy or the prefix dark mate ha ha ha ha
but i think it was llama-amp (how could one) not fauxbar, if that doesn't whip his arse we will...
WAHPISH!:skull:

matty28carter

06-15-2004, 11:39 AM

Firefox 0.9 has just been released (well not so long ago). Grab it here. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

hedge

06-15-2004, 12:11 PM

Firefox 0.9 has just been released (well not so long ago). Grab it here. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
And the new extensions and themes pages are up too, of course everyones trying em out at the moment, so they're close to unusable...

rorythedog

06-15-2004, 01:09 PM

I'm DL'ing 0.9 now but it says I can't install it over the top of 0.8. Do any of you 'foxy' guys know how to install it and still keep my existing bookmarks? Any help would be good, cheers.

matty28carter

06-15-2004, 01:20 PM

Just uninstall 0.8 then whilst its un-installing it'll ask "do you wish to uninstall firefox and all its componants" press "yes" then it'll ask remove directory? "No". Then just install 0.9 and i'll import all ur stuff for you. What it did here. :silly:

rorythedog

06-15-2004, 01:44 PM

Thanks Matty. Good advice, job done. Looks very nice too. I'll report findings shortly.

I've been following this debate closely but, as I've only used Firebird/'fox and IE 6 I didn't feel qualified to comment. I've got all the browsers installed now though and I'm giving them all a try as we speak. I'll lend an opinion later, for what it's worth.

Again, thanks for the prompt response and accurate advice. That's why I'm here. Cheers. :beer:

Roj

06-15-2004, 02:03 PM

Firefox 0.9 has just been released (well not so long ago). Grab it here. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
Given the sterling success of the RC, you'll forgive me if I'm less than enthusiastic...

hedge

06-15-2004, 02:43 PM

Given the sterling success of the RC, you'll forgive me if I'm less than enthusiastic...
I didn't find much wrong with the RC, apart from the stupid unlisting of all my old extensions. But seeming that list consisted of two extensions, it wasnt all that bad. :P
Anyway, MyIE2 is good, and if firefox fails to show a webpage properly, I use it instead.

matty28carter

06-15-2004, 04:26 PM

Given the sterling success of the RC, you'll forgive me if I'm less than enthusiastic...
From what i've noticed so far its definatly smoother then 0.8 and it loads up quicker. I haven't noticed any problems so far.

acozz

06-15-2004, 10:29 PM

rorythedog

06-15-2004, 10:36 PM

acozz

06-15-2004, 10:38 PM

Tut, tut...language, language.

Just kidding.

I followed Matty's advice to the letter (two or three posts above) and it worked just fine. I've still got my bookmarks and extensions intact.

I did the same thing and it deleted them.

Roj

06-15-2004, 10:52 PM

That's piss poor.No - just rather typical of the poorly thought out Mozilla efforts.

0.9 like it's big (BIG!!!) brother Mozilla 1.7RCxxyyzz *STILL* hangs getting AV stats, *STILL* doesn't render pages correctly that both IE and Opera have no trouble with and *STILL* can't spell Yahoo Launch (all tested *today*).

That half-baked ill-considered junk is now officially off my radar screen.

rorythedog

06-15-2004, 10:54 PM

Sorry man, I didn't mean to be rude. Anyway, I've just noticed that my Chatzilla client has went 'George Bush'-AWOL. What to do, eh. Apart from the PC v Mac debate, does anything polarise opinion more than the good old Browser wars? If anybody can help this alcohol addled hippy get his chat back I'd be most greatful. It's getting lonely out here.

Roj

06-15-2004, 10:59 PM

Apart from the PC v Mac debate, does anything polarise opinion more than the good old Browser wars?
Yeah - mp3 decoder wars. :) :) :)

rorythedog

06-15-2004, 11:05 PM

acozz

06-16-2004, 12:33 AM

Whoever invented the Bookmarks Toolbar Folder needs to be shot. I'd do anything to delete that stupid thing.

Inthewoods

06-16-2004, 01:32 AM

Roj, point me to these pages that Firefox doesn't render correctly. I might be just lucky, but everywhere I go is rendered fine.

I saw crappy rendering within 5 minutes of my first use of Firefox. Roj's and my experience with it is hardly unique,Look Here (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Firefox+rendering+issues)

drewkeller

06-16-2004, 02:32 AM

Whoever invented the Bookmarks Toolbar Folder needs to be shot. I'd do anything to delete that stupid thing.
i used them all the time. i haven't tried the newest release yet, though

drewkeller

06-16-2004, 03:09 AM

I uninstalled 0.8 as it told me to and the damn thing deletes my bookmarks and settings.
Your bookmarks and so forth are likely NOT GONE!!!

Look for bookmark.html in
E:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\Phoenix\Profiles\{random}

Copy bookmark.html (and presumably other files out of here might work in the new release) into the new location for such things which is
\Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\default.{random}

GildedSplinter

06-16-2004, 03:13 AM

What a crock of shit. I uninstalled 0.8 as it told me to and the damn thing deletes my bookmarks and settings. WTF?!? It didn't even ask me if I wanted to delete my settings. And I told it not to delete the folder. That's piss poor.

And the new default look is hideous.

I lost all my extensions & stuff when I tried out 0.9 as well. If you read back a ways, you'll see the problems I had with it, so I uninstalled & put 0.8 back where it belongs. When I did (I will NEVER understand this), all of my presets came back with it... skins & all!!! :ermm: :cool: I believe they were save in some kinda profile or something, that Mozilla has. Give it a shot... maybe you'll get lucky! :bandit:

drewkeller

06-16-2004, 03:17 AM

I lost all my extensions & stuff when I tried out 0.9 as well. If you read back a ways, you'll see the problems I had with it, so I uninstalled & put 0.8 back where it belongs. When I did (I will NEVER understand this), all of my presets came back with it... skins & all!!! I copied my old information location (see my post above) into the new information location, and so far everything seems to be working ok. there must be an option somewhere that points to this location that would be easier to change than copying files. still looking... (hint, it seems to not be in the basic options panel that comes in firefox)....

well, my extensions seem to be gone, but no big deal. reinstalled adblock and the blocked sites are still in there (stored in prefs.js, apparently along with settings for other extensions). my extensions were getting out of date, anyway.

GildedSplinter

06-16-2004, 03:23 AM

No - just rather typical of the poorly thought out Mozilla efforts.

0.9 like it's big (BIG!!!) brother Mozilla 1.7RCxxyyzz *STILL* hangs getting AV stats, *STILL* doesn't render pages correctly that both IE and Opera have no trouble with and *STILL* can't spell Yahoo Launch (all tested *today*).

That half-baked ill-considered junk is now officially off my radar screen.
I'm in LOVE with my Firefox!!! :heart: :heart: :heart: When I first downloaded Firefox 0.8, I had a little funkiness with rendering at eBay & a couple of other commercial sites of that nature, but the problems fixed themselves within a couple o' weeks. I think you're just an Opera kinda guy. With Firefox, you get barebones, and with extensions etc., you make it what you want it to be. With Opera, it gives you everything by default, and you turn things off as desired. It's all about perspective (and patience).

GildedSplinter

06-16-2004, 03:25 AM

Roj, point me to these pages that Firefox doesn't render correctly. I might be just lucky, but everywhere I go is rendered fine.

I'd be interested in seeing one of these "malfunctioning" sites as well, cuz I got crystal clear beauty as far as the eyes can see!!! :bandit:

GildedSplinter

06-16-2004, 03:30 AM

Whoever invented the Bookmarks Toolbar Folder needs to be shot. I'd do anything to delete that stupid thing.

I'm certain I've seen an extension or setting, or something somewhere that will enable you to "turn off" your bookmarks toolbar. You may be in the wrong frame of mind to persue it... it sounds like your patience is wearing a bit thin. I personally am quite fond of it! :bandit:

Roj

06-16-2004, 04:15 AM

I'm in LOVE with my Firefox!!! :heart: :heart: :heart: When I first downloaded Firefox 0.8, I had a little funkiness with rendering at eBay & a couple of other commercial sites of that nature, but the problems fixed themselves within a couple o' weeks. I think you're just an Opera kinda guy. With Firefox, you get barebones, and with extensions etc., you make it what you want it to be. With Opera, it gives you everything by default, and you turn things off as desired. It's all about perspective (and patience).Perspective and patience do not cure bugs such as Huge Honking Memory Leaks which try and eat 1Gb systems. That memory leak has existed across TWO versions of Firefox and THREE versions of Mozilla - what a wonderful thing a shared codebase is with even the bugs faithfully replicated in painstaking detail. As to the poor page rendering, look at something simple such as BetaNews with Firefox - then try it with IE. Try the commercial sites such as CNN. Go to Yahoo Launch and try and play a video. Lack of support for commonly used standards cannot be excused away. If the vast majority use it, it's a standard - bugger any toothless "ratification" by any so-called web psuedo committees.

Intelligent design and quality programming cure those ills.Repeatedly buggy software doesn't get patience and perspective; it gets File 13.

Also, for the record, I'm an **IE** kind of guy. Opera is my second choice for stuff that IE can't deal with (which isn't much). In contrast, Firefox is a distant third.

hedge

06-16-2004, 05:18 AM

I'm certain I've seen an extension or setting, or something somewhere that will enable you to "turn off" your bookmarks toolbar. You may be in the wrong frame of mind to persue it... it sounds like your patience is wearing a bit thin. I personally am quite fond of it! :bandit:
Just right click on the navigation toolbar (the thing with the back forward buttons on it) and you should be able to uncheck it there. If not you should be able to customize it outta there.

GildedSplinter

06-16-2004, 10:31 AM

Perspective and patience do not cure bugs such as Huge Honking Memory Leaks which try and eat 1Gb systems. That memory leak has existed across TWO versions of Firefox and THREE versions of Mozilla - what a wonderful thing a shared codebase is with even the bugs faithfully replicated in painstaking detail. As to the poor page rendering, look at something simple such as BetaNews with Firefox - then try it with IE. Try the commercial sites such as CNN. Go to Yahoo Launch and try and play a video. Lack of support for commonly used standards cannot be excused away. If the vast majority use it, it's a standard - bugger any toothless "ratification" by any so-called web psuedo committees.

Intelligent design and quality programming cure those ills.Repeatedly buggy software doesn't get patience and perspective; it gets File 13.

Also, for the record, I'm an **IE** kind of guy. Opera is my second choice for stuff that IE can't deal with (which isn't much). In contrast, Firefox is a distant third.
When it comes to the expression of opinion, I believe you and I are cut from the same cloth. As you may recall, there's been a time or two where I wanted to reach through this monitor & wrap my hands around your throat
:reallymad
After reading your Anti-Firefox rant... I was just ROLLIN' :laugh: :knocked-o
It reminded me of one of my own Anti-Morrison rants, over in the "Mother..." thread.
There are a whooooooooooool lotta people that are runnin' Firefox, that don't seem to be sufferin' from the ailments you discribe (myself included). By default, I'm prompted to look at you, not the browser, for the source of the problems... an unticked box, a missed setting, perhaps another program on your system that doesn't play well with Firefox. I don't know... your system's not in front of me. All I know is... mine works GREAT ;)
On a different note... if you enjoy Opera and IE... you may enjoy MyIE2. Have you tried it?

matty28carter

06-16-2004, 11:57 AM

*STILL* can't spell Yahoo Launch (all tested *today*).

That half-baked ill-considered junk is now officially off my radar screen.

I must say that Yahoo lauch doesn't work with anything but IE. Even when u con the server telling it that firefox is actaully IE with an extension i found. If i set it as opera it says "sorry opera isn't supported yet", netscape "sorry netscape isn't supported yet", IE it loads up then stops. But i don't use yahoo launch so it doesn't affect me. I mean most people moan about the page rendering and half the time its just a line thats been slightly cut off that u can't even notice without pressing ur nose aginst the screen and scrutinising everything. Its all down to opinion really. I don't use IE coz it feels like i'm using a a peice of paper in comparison to firefox which to me feels a 'lil more solid. (some people think thats a bad thing). It has its quirks but unless u point them out they aint gonna get fixed. Then again i have noitced that like u say, they do follow this "stick to standards" thingy and won't budge of it, which i think they oughta lighten up a bit.

Roj

06-16-2004, 12:05 PM

When it comes to the expression of opinion, I believe you and I are cut from the same cloth. As you may recall, there's been a time or two where I wanted to reach through this monitor & wrap my hands around your throat
Many have tried; most have died. :) I'm still here. :) :) :)
After reading your Anti-Firefox rant... I was just ROLLIN'It reminded me of one of my own Anti-Morrison rants, over in the "Mother..." thread.
Surely not Jim Morrison of The Doors...

There are a whooooooooooool lotta people that are runnin' Firefox, that don't seem to be sufferin' from the ailments you discribe
...and I rejoice in their good fortune.

I'm prompted to look at you, not the browser, for the source of the problems... an unticked box, a missed setting, perhaps another program on your system that doesn't play well with Firefox.[/QUOTE]
Under many a condition I might agree - but this is on three different systems of my own and two of my boss'. Neither of us can reliably check anti-virus stats and have both experienced the runaway memory leak as a result. Simply put, Firefox and Mozilla both buckle badly under heavy duty load (so does IE, btw).

I don't know... your system's not in front of me. All I know is... mine works GREAT ;)
You're also not stressing out the browser nearly as much as we are - I mean (taking the memory leak as an example) reports consisting of 30K or more lines...

On a different note... if you enjoy Opera and IE... you may enjoy MyIE2. Have you tried it?
Tried it, like it but don't use it personally (I already have two browsers on my system). I do however recommend it though...

acozz

06-16-2004, 12:37 PM

I'll take a look at the Documents and Settings folder later. I didn't bother to check because I saw a profiles folder in the installation directory.

And I'm angry because not being able to upgrade over top of an existing install is a bug that should have been fixed in 0.1 not 1.0. It's all about priorities.

GildedSplinter

06-16-2004, 02:46 PM

You're also not stressing out the browser nearly as much as we are - I mean (taking the memory leak as an example) reports consisting of 30K or more lines...

Maybe THAT'S the variable... heavy user vs. casual. You're right... I'm learning more & doing more everyday, but I'd still have to consider myself a "casual" user... :ponder:

Inthewoods

06-16-2004, 04:05 PM

Ok. I've been reading both this and the Morrison thread with a great deal of grinning. Now I have a theory. Given that Morrison used substances which made him do wierd, illogical things, in general behaved in unacceptable ways, and really seems to have polarized his fans and his bashers into two very distinct groups, perhaps he has been reincarnated as a piece of browser software. Don't laugh too hard, I mean it's obvious: "Light my Fire(fox)" ROFL

acozz

06-16-2004, 09:46 PM

Well, I couldn't find my bookmarks in Documents and Settings, but I found an older copy from some previous installation or something, so at least I have about 90% of my bookmarks back.

Rex_Mundi_Incarnit

06-17-2004, 07:53 AM

What i dont like about mozilla FF is that stuff like java and macromedia flash are not installed with the browser. Then you have to go through all the trouble to get that installed again. :grimreape

Roj

06-17-2004, 12:42 PM

What i dont like about mozilla FF is that stuff like java and macromedia flash are not installed with the browser. Then you have to go through all the trouble to get that installed again. :grimreape
Actually, to be fair, I go through that with IE anyway. I install XP SP-1a that has had removed the MS Java VM (it was a broken piece of junk and unsupported anyway) and then I install the latest Sun flavor (I have no use for Sun other than their MS wannabe funding of OpenOffice but their flavor of Java isn't bad these days). Then I hit the Macromedia site and install the latest Shockwave and Flash players.

matty28carter

06-17-2004, 12:54 PM

I've never had any problems with it removing java and flash when upgradeing FF.

acozz

06-17-2004, 02:24 PM

I'm a lot happier now that I have most of my bookmarks back and downloaded the Qute theme (which looks better than in 1.8). Now I know not to trust the uninstaller though.

But they introduced quite a number of bugs with the dynamic theme switching(close tab button stops working, tabs lose their pages, some drawing problems). Might as well restart the browser anyway. I find it hard to believe they didn't find these in testing.

#The fREaK!

06-17-2004, 02:51 PM

So far, I havent seen a single site that follows the standard and doesnt render good in Firefox. However, sites that use IE only stuff (often unofficially called M$ HTML) looks different in all browsers that follow the standard. A week ago I decided to make sure my site follows the XHTML standard. It took quite a while to replace the non-standard stuff from some months ago when I still used frontpage, but when I had, it was well-worth it.

Before you complain about Firefox rendering a site worse than IE, make sure that it validates (http://validator.w3.org/)!

matty28carter

06-17-2004, 06:52 PM

I'm a lot happier now that I have... downloaded the Qute theme (which looks better than in 1.8).

I'm using the Qute theme now. Much better, how 0.9 SHOULD have looked imo.

acozz

06-17-2004, 07:14 PM

I'm using the Qute theme now. Much better, how 0.9 SHOULD have looked imo.

Yea, I'm not sure why they got rid of it. Also, it's hilarious reading the comments for Qute as everyone blasts the new default theme (which as I've mentioned is terrible looking).

rorythedog

06-17-2004, 07:33 PM

So how do you install themes. I've DL'ed a couple of them, but they're RAR and I can't figure out where to put them.

acozz

06-17-2004, 07:39 PM

The only couple I downloaded were jar files which Firefox can install without any hassle. I just clicked the install button instead of the download button.

I saw dragging and dropping mentioned, so you could try that. (Drag onto the themes window).

Heigar

06-17-2004, 08:02 PM

Ya hitting the install button instead of the download button is a lot easier. The few that I installed doesn't apply right if the browser is open ,then I have to restart the fox!!

Roj

06-17-2004, 08:42 PM

Aaron

06-18-2004, 08:52 PM

Who cares if it validates? It just has to look decent. The "standard" is *irrelevant*.

While I agree that a browser should have a decent go at rendering non-standard pages I don't agree that the standard is irrelevant.

One reason why standards exist is to try to provide universal access - if you have a web page that is standards complient there is a better chance that it will be available on more access devices (present and future).

From an end-users point of view though you are correct that people don't care about standards as long as it looks 'right'.

The onus is really on the person that puts a web page together - if its non-standard then they could conceivably be limiting the number of people that can view the page correctly (that is as they designed it). Why limit your potential audience?

btw - I quite like the latest version of FireFox with the extension manager. No problems but have only been looking at average load.

Cheers,

Aaron

Roj

06-18-2004, 09:19 PM

While I agree that a browser should have a decent go at rendering non-standard pages I don't agree that the standard is irrelevant.

One reason why standards exist is to try to provide universal access - if you have a web page that is standards complient there is a better chance that it will be available on more access devices (present and future).
While I agree that standards are necessary, consider this:

A "standard" becomes irrelevant when it has been supplanted by a de facto actual standard that the vast majority use, even though that unofficial flavor has not been ratified by the so-called powers-that-be. At that point both the standards creation body and the piece of text it holds up to the world as its mandate become an exercise in empty rhetoric.

SGML is an excellent example.

XML is headed in that direction rapidly.

The onus is really on the person that puts a web page together - if its non-standard then they could conceivably be limiting the number of people that can view the page correctly (that is as they designed it). Why limit your potential audience?
Why waste time, effort and resources on a vocal but completely outnumbered and thus irrelevant minority?

btw - I quite like the latest version of FireFox with the extension manager. No problems but have only been looking at average load.
Thus far, the only browser to survive the "check the SPAM stats on the Symantec Anti-virus Gateways Torture Test" is Opera.

In the case of Mozilla as with many (but not all) an Open Source freeware product, "you get what you pay for".