Photoshop CS

[Lich]

Just got this one. No so big improvement above version 7, but...

* Nested layer sets feature is "must have" for skinner.
* Type on a path - finally!
* Color replacement tool - very useful.
* New File Browser is good too.
* Filter Gallery - rulez if you're using filters.

[Heigar]

Just upgraded about a week ago and something that you don't have to run out and get right away.Does have a couple added boneses that Lich mentioned,but other than that no major improvements.

[Young Twig]

Just got this one. No so big improvement above version 7, but...

* Nested layer sets feature is "must have" for skinner.
* Type on a path - finally!
* Color replacement tool - very useful.
* New File Browser is good too.
* Filter Gallery - rulez if you're using filters.
You couldn't type on a path before? (I'm obviously not a PS user.)

[Xymantix]

I just read about it on their site. The only thing that sounds remotely tempting is the nested layer folders, but that's it. I think I'll hang out with 7 until the next version comes along...

[chicubs]

Im a dumby so help me out, what are "nested layer sets"?

[Hanzo]

Can't wait until someone buys it and let me have a little copy! :D

[Young Twig]

Can't wait until someone buys it and let me have a little copy! :D
That's not very nice... :(

[maresias]

Can't wait until Hanzo has a little copy and let me have a little copy,too!:D

[drewkeller]

Im a dumby so help me out, what are "nested layer sets"?
maybe like illustrator's? if so, that would be really nice.

[Heigar]

Hanzo : why wait just do search on a p2p.then there's the little activation thing that people have a workaround already.I purchased my copy so I don't have to jump through all the hoopla and pray that they work.

[chicubs]

Hanzo : why wait just do search on a p2p.then there's the little activation thing that people have a workaround already.I purchased my copy so I don't have to jump through all the hoopla and pray that they work.

true, but adobe's prices are absolutely ridiculous.

[Hanzo]

true, but adobe's prices are absolutely ridiculous.
I second this post. I can't sell enough things on eBay to pay 500.00 for a piece of software. :p

Hanzo: why wait just do search on a p2p.then there's the little activation thing that people have a workaround already.I purchased my copy so I don't have to jump through all the hoopla and pray that they work.
Most of the times they work pretty good, if you know how to use them... I do buy some software, like the amazing collection of VST plugins I bought for my dad, but that's another story.

Can't wait until Hanzo has a little copy and let me have a little copy,too!:D
Me neither... but it will take some time before the software reaches here in Panama :(

[Heigar]

Yeah it is expensive ,but I buy the upgrade version and cuts the price to $170.Do the p2p way there are alot of copies floating around.

[Hanzo]

Yeah it is expensive ,but I buy the upgrade version and cuts the price to $170.Do the p2p way there are alot of copies floating around.
Dude, I live in Panama. The most current legal original boxed version of Photoshop is 5 so you can figure the time it will take for CS to arrive here.

[Heigar]

So ,then you won't see cs until your about 90.(the legal way)!:)

[Hanzo]

So ,then you won't see cs until your about 90.(the legal way)!:)
Yeah... I can't wait that long. I want to use CS before I'm 90... by that time I will have Alzheimer or something and won't be able to use the mouse as good as I use it now.:o

[DeltaGuy]

I'm fine staying with Adobe 7 for the time being...
BTW, has anyone ever tried out the GIMP (http://www.gimp.org)???
It's a really good Open Source PhotoShop Replacement program...

[chicubs]

I'm fine staying with Adobe 7 for the time being...
BTW, has anyone ever tried out the GIMP (http://www.gimp.org)???
It's a really good Open Source PhotoShop Replacement program...

tried it. hated it.

[DeltaGuy]

tried it. hated it.
There have been a lot of changes in the new GIMP 1.3...
No more GTK 1.3, if you know what that means...
Basically, the latest Development Version really rocks...

[Xymantix]

Since I'm curious (and apparently too lazy to find out myself), what did they use as an alternative to GTK?

[Heigar]

The latest release is 1.2.5 and it includes GTK 1.3 + 2.2.4. I tried it long time ago and didn't like it.I would rather use paint shop pro,but nothing will ever come close to photoshop.

[philipptr]

tried it. hated it.
well spoken :D

[DeltaGuy]

Since I'm curious (and apparently too lazy to find out myself), what did they use as an alternative to GTK?
I never said they got rid of GTK, just GTK 1.3...
They now use GTK+ 2.2, a themeable GTK...
The Wimp (Windows Impersonator) Theme looks great on the GIMP...
I could post a screenshot of it, and it's new splash screen if you'd like...

The latest release is 1.2.5 and it includes GTK 1.3 + 2.2.4. I tried it long time ago and didn't like it.I would rather use paint shop pro,but nothing will ever come close to photoshop.
There is a more recent development release, 1.3. It's sort of like the GIMPs version of a release candidate. The operative word is that you tried it a long time ago, A LOT has changed since then, for the better...

The GIMP is better than you think, you just need to give it more credit...
Give it one or two years, come back and see how great it will be then...

[Young Twig]

The GIMP is okay. I like Vector graphics programs.. :D

[Heigar]

I'm sure a lot has changed ,it's a good alternative for being free and open source,but seeing I have a retail version of paint shop pro and photoshop that i purchased I have no need for gimp.If anyone is interested in my paint shop pro (for free) let me know I just want to get rid of it ,because I don't use it anymore or even installed on my computer!

[Young Twig]

I'm sure a lot has changed ,it's a good alternative for being free and open source,but seeing I have a retail version of paint shop pro and photoshop that i purchased I have no need for gimp.If anyone is interested in my paint shop pro (for free) let me know I just want to get rid of it ,because I don't use it anymore or even installed on my computer!
Nah. I didn't care for PSP.

If anyone wants to give me a legal version of Photoshop for free... Just kidding. :D

[Hanzo]

Photoshop + Illustrator is the standard for Graphics Design.

Am I right? the standard so that means 95 % of the "professionals" and those who aren't professionals use it to. Because it's power and ease of use. The rest of the people use Corel or Paintshop Pro.

The GIMP is okay, but will never come close to the amount of people who use Photoshop. Maybe in the long run it may get more users, who knows?

[DeltaGuy]

Photoshop + Illustrator is the standard for Graphics Design.

Am I right? the standard so that means 95 % of the "professionals" and those who aren't professionals use it to. Because it's power and ease of use. The rest of the people use Corel or Paintshop Pro.

The GIMP is okay, but will never come close to the amount of people who use Photoshop. Maybe in the long run it may get more users, who knows?
Many so called professionals only test their webpages in IE, leaving out other rendering engines, which the page may not be viewable in because it is not standards compliant.
Don't underestimate the Open Source community, look at Apache...
BTW, personally, I use both Photoshop and the GIMP. I like Photoshop because, currenty, it's more powerful, but the GIMP is Open Source, so I like both...

[Hanzo]

Many so called professionals only test their webpages in IE, leaving out other rendering engines, which the page may not be viewable in because it is not standards compliant.
That is why I had it under quotes...
As for the standards, are you saying that IE is non-standard?

Don't underestimate the Open Source community, look at Apache...
BTW, personally, I use both Photoshop and the GIMP. I like Photoshop because, currenty, it's more powerful, but the GIMP is Open Source, so I like both...
I would never underestimate the Open Source Community. Unfortunately the software produced by Open Source is pretty uncommon right now. Apache and Linux are good examples... among some others.

[DeltaGuy]

That is why I had it under quotes...
As for the standards, are you saying that IE is non-standard?
In a way, yes. I'm saying that just because lots of people use it, doesn't mean it's the best, or that professionals even know what's the best. IE's engine isn't by any means as Standards Compliant as Open Source Gecko...

I would never underestimate the Open Source Community. Unfortunately the software produced by Open Source is pretty uncommon right now. Apache and Linux are good examples... among some others.
In today's marketplace, OpenSource works when it has corporate sponsors backing it. That's why Linux is so popular today. That's also the reason Gecko and Mozilla was developed, with AOLs help. Unfortunately, AOL dropped Mozilla, but IBM, Sun, and a few other places still love Gecko...

[Hanzo]

In a way, yes. I'm saying that just because lots of people use it, doesn't mean it's the best, or that professionals even know what's the best. IE's engine isn't by any means as Standards Compliant as Open Source Gecko... Well, as IE is what most people uses it's better to develop websites that are up to with IE's non-standard standard right? What good does to develop a website that good only in Firebird or Gecko? This is the point where the "best" isn't the option because the "best" is not what everybody uses.

In today's marketplace, OpenSource works when it has corporate sponsors backing it. That's why Linux is so popular today. That's also the reason Gecko and Mozilla was developed, with AOLs help. Unfortunately, AOL dropped Mozilla, but IBM, Sun, and a few other places still love Gecko...I know. I have used Linux sometimes and it is pretty cool. But even when Linux is cool, I'm staying with Windows until I can play and do all the legal stuff I'm used to do with my computer (and the non-legal too) on Linux without much hassle.

I'm only only saying at a regular desktop level, but for heavy networking / servers deployment Windows is no match for Apache, Linux or Unix as for that matter. That's why Linux is so popular with those guys you mention.

[Young Twig]

I'm with you Hanzo, but please, use the browser thread to discuss browsers...

I believe this thread was about Photoshop CS... :confused:


;)

[Hanzo]

I'm with you Hanzo, but please, use the browser thread to discuss browsers...

I believe this thread was about Photoshop CS... :confused:


;)
Don't blame me, DeltaGuy dude started!! :o

[DeltaGuy]

Getting back on topic, what does the CS stand for???

[Young Twig]

Getting back on topic, what does the CS stand for???
I knew this. I forgot though... :(

[Hanzo]

I knew this. I forgot though... :(

CS stands for Creative Suite

Adobe next product series (Illustrator, Photoshop, etc) will be called CS, much like the XP thing on Windows and Office, BTW XP stands for eXPerience.

Don't you love acronyms?? :cool:

[DeltaGuy]

CS stands for Creative Suite

Adobe next product series (Illustrator, Photoshop, etc) will be called CS, much like the XP thing on Windows and Office, BTW XP stands for eXPerience.

Don't you love acronyms?? :cool:
The XP thing was only for one set of software though, now we're back to years. I can't wait to get Office 2003, although Open Office is good too... ;)

[Hanzo]

The XP thing was only for one set of software though, now we're back to years. I can't wait to get Office 2003, although Open Office is good too... ;)
I've gotten my hands on Outlook 2003 and damn it's good. (Legally, trust me)
I must say I was dissapointed with Outlook XP but this version is very good. Some mayor cosmetic changes, makes it look cool, but works fast and many other improvents. For more blah blah praising Outlook, just checkout Microsoft website.

Yet, I have to check on the remaining portion of the suite (Word, Excel, Access) also they say they are incluiding another program and banning FrontPage from the suite and selling it as a standalone application (too bad IMHO)

[Heigar]

the whole suite is better than office xp,I have office pro 2003 and every program in it is a lot quicker loading and the cosmetic change is sure better than the xp ever was(legally too of course,For the wifey).And frontpage is now only a standalone program,which is o.k for me ,because I prefer dreamweaver!

[Hanzo]

the whole suite is better than office xp,I have office pro 2003 and every program in it is a lot quicker loading and the cosmetic change is sure better than the xp ever was(legally too of course,For the wifey).And frontpage is now only a standalone program,which is o.k for me ,because I prefer dreamweaver!
Dreamweaver is a lot better. But I liked when Frontpage came bundled because it saves me another download or another copy :D.

This time I got Outlook 2003 legally because the company I work for has changed mail host company (to Mailstreet if anyone interested) and they provided us with legal copies of Outlook 2003 as part of the deal :)

[DeltaGuy]

They are incluiding another program and banning FrontPage from the suite and selling it as a standalone application (too bad IMHO)
Yea! Maybe getting rid of Frontpage will get people to use other, more standards compliant, WYSIWYG editors or to had code their webpages...

[Young Twig]

Yea! Maybe getting rid of Frontpage will get people to use other, more standards compliant, WYSIWYG editors or to had code their webpages...
Mmm... Notepad. :D

[fatal error]

back to origin of thread. CS is awesome from what I've seen so far.

[Hanzo]

back to origin of thread. CS is awesome from what I've seen so far.
I agree... I've seen the little movie on the adobe website. Too bad I cannot get it yet :mad:

[Lich]

Week ago I've transfered .PSD source of Phaseless 2.0 to CS format and arranged layers into nested sets. I wanna say it's cool. Adobe cares about skin designers:)

[DeltaGuy]

Week ago I've transfered .PSD source of Phaseless 2.0 to CS format and arranged layers into nested sets. I wanna say it's cool. Adobe cares about skin designers:)
So Adobe Photoshop CS doesn't use the .psd file format anymore???

[Heigar]

So Adobe Photoshop CS doesn't use the .psd file format anymore???Yes it still uses .psd.Nothing was taken out of the new photoshop ,they just added a few extra features.

[Lich]

So Adobe Photoshop CS doesn't use the .psd file format anymore???
CS is still using .PSD, but transfering file from CS to 7 etc. will completely screw layer sets system.

Sorry. Seems like I've confused you with wrong expressions:)

[Young Twig]

If they killed *.psd's, they'd be huge idiots... :)

[Hanzo]

If they killed *.psd's, they'd be huge idiots... :)

I agree with you... :cool:

Lich... one question, have they added more "blending effects"?

[Lich]

have they added more "blending effects"?
Hard Mix blending mode.

[Hanzo]

Hard Mix blending mode.
Sound cool ! but as you said that is a blending mode. What about blending effects?

You know, the menu that appears and gives options for drop shadows, bevels, etc.

[Lich]

the menu that appears and gives options for drop shadows, bevels, etc.
Arrgh, you're talking about Layer Styles. Nope, they're intact and equal to version 7.

[Matt]

I found the new photoshop very slow. Loading files took more then twice as long. Not sure why.

I'm sticking with 7, no sense spending all that money for not much of an update.

[Heigar]

I found the new photoshop very slow. Loading files took more then twice as long. Not sure why.

I'm sticking with 7, no sense spending all that money for not much of an update.
I agree with you Matt it does take longer to load and save files and I also noticed an overall performance difference.I'm running a p4 2.4 with 1 gig of ram and sometimes when applying a style or something photoshop just hangs for about 10-20 seconds which gets really annoying.So I've been debating on switching back to 7 in which I have had no problems with.

[Lich]

I can't find any speed difference between 7 and CS.
Swear. (A2400+512Mb)

[Heigar]

I can't find any speed difference between 7 and CS.
Swear. (A2400+512Mb)
That's wierd ,I thought at first it was because of the scratch disk ,but I have that set on a different drive to increase performance and I have my ram usage set to 50% and CS is still sluggish compared to 7,so I'm switching back to 7.
I will miss the layer comps though,but oh well.I'd rather sacrifice a feature than performance.And seeing that not a whole changed with versions ,that 7 will do just fine.

[fatal error]

it does everything faster for me, even on my old P3 800mhz.