monkey on my back

[Todd The Kiwi]

i have some rather serious issues with the .ape monkeys audio plugin ,
it just won't work.
i have already posted this in the bitching thread so i'll not post it again here.
these are two pictures of errors >

first pic (http://beta.quinnware.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=378)
second pic (http://beta.quinnware.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=379)

[Paul]

That first error is from your soundcard crying about not being able to support the decoded format. That could mean:
1) the ape file decodes into something your soundcard legitamately doesn't support
2) the program you used to create the ape file messed up
3) the decoder is messing up
4) the ape encoder/decoder versions don't work together

Seeing as the APE spec changes with every release of their product, I'm guessing 4).

[Todd The Kiwi]

That first error is from your soundcard crying about not being able to support the decoded format. That could mean:
1) the ape file decodes into something your soundcard legitamately doesn't support
2) the program you used to create the ape file messed up
3) the decoder is messing up
4) the ape encoder/decoder versions don't work together

Seeing as the APE spec changes with every release of their product, I'm guessing 4).
it was created in the latest monkey front end ,
my sound card does support it because winamp plays them straight of the bat. i copied the tune from vinyl using sound forge 7 then squished it into ape . i copied it and unsquished it back to wav and then destroyed that into an mp3 they all play sweet as in winamp .ape, .wav ,.mp3 which kind of sucks because i like qcd more ...
and thanks for replying man

[Paul]

Try to create a small ape file that reproduces this problem (<1MB preferrably) and email it to me for testing.

[Todd The Kiwi]

thanks paul , you rock man.
you will be getting apemailed soon.

[Paul]

Thanks. The format of the APE is non-standard, but should have played nonetheless. There will be a fix in the next build to take care of this.

[Todd The Kiwi]

thanks man.
p.s what did you think of the sample?
it's from an APHRODITE tune called MUSIC'S HYPNOTISING.

just out of interest what wasn't/isn't standard about the format ?
*96,000 sample rate ,24 bit depth ,extra high compression.
vinyl> sound forge7> .wav> monkeys audio> .ape> ears.
unfortunately sound forge doesn't have an .ape plugin (yet)
so all monkey business has to be done in audition
or as a .wav in sound forge then monkeys front end...


*this?

[Paul]

Is everything good on this front with B72?

[hedge]

Is everything good on this front with B72?
Todd hasn't been using the forums for a couple of weeks... He did say he might be back online in the future, but had no idea when.

[Heigar]

He had mentioned to me about moving and not having internet access for a while,but he said he will be back online in the near future.

[Todd The Kiwi]

i missed/skipped a couple of builds and went straight for b75 and it does play .apes now BUT really slowly with really distorted sound .
the bitrate i discovered is 4500
which i believe is quite high as far as bitrates go.


96,000 sample rate
24 bit depth
4,500 bitrate

if i adjust the bit depth or sample rate down a bit it will play sweet as
but the idea is to preserve as much info as possible...

[hedge]

i missed/skipped a couple of builds and went straight for b75 and it does play .apes now BUT really slowly with really distorted sound .
the bitrate i discovered is 4500
which i believe is quite high as far as bitrates go.


96,000 sample rate
24 bit depth
4,500 bitrate

if i adjust the bit depth or sample rate down a bit it will play sweet as
but the idea is to preserve as much info as possible...
But monkeys is lossless, isn't it? More of a question than anything else...

[Heigar]

But monkeys is lossless, isn't it? More of a question than anything else...
To answer your question ,monkey is lossless.

Todd did you try to adjust the bitrate when you encoded it? If not try one to see if that will help.

[Todd The Kiwi]

To answer your question ,monkey is lossless.

Todd did you try to adjust the bitrate when you encoded it? If not try one to see if that will help. hi mate , i adjusted the sample rate and bit depth, with either one reduced to a less insane level they play ,but if both are high it will skip and play really slowly. [sample rate + bit depth = bitrate] i think so lowering one or both will/should reduce the bitrate. it's an :skull: mighty :skull: 4,500 !
i have to choose between quality or winamp at the moment i'm sure i'll see sense and just wait for a fix...

[Paul]

just wait for a fix...
To me it just seems like your CPU can't keep up with the higher quality setting, so I hope you're not waiting for a fix from me.
Also, Hedge has a point - ape is lossless so the encoding/decoding format is irrellevant. What am I missing?

[Todd The Kiwi]

To me it just seems like your CPU can't keep up with the higher quality setting, so I hope you're not waiting for a fix from me.
Also, Hedge has a point - ape is lossless so the encoding/decoding format is irrellevant. What am I missing? winamp 5 can play the files @ 96,000 24 bit 4,500 .ape or .wav
and qcd will play the .wav just not the .ape
i wasn't really hinting at a fix it, i must be me missing something...

[Roj]

winamp 5 can play the files @ 96,000 24 bit 4,500 .ape or .wav
and qcd will play the .wav just not the .ape
i wasn't really hinting at a fix it, i must be me missing something...Did you use Monkey's Audio 3.97 to create the APE file or that POS latest Alpha that's 1) not backwards compatible and 2) viewed with considerable distaste on Usenet because of 1) ?

If yes, that could well be your problem.

[Todd The Kiwi]

Did you use Monkey's Audio 3.97 to create the APE file


yeah i used 3.97
it's the latest (since may last year !?) shocking...
i haven't heard of the other thing you mention
gwashoppah still vewy yung and not trained in the POS style ha ha ha ha

[Todd The Kiwi]

:skull: dang :skull:
is anybody keen to mutate winamps .ape plugin for me
or
tell me how to use it in qcds plugin 'department' ?

[brian]

The Winamp Monkey's plugin works fine with Shao Hao's Winamp plugin manager, which you can find on the input plugins web pages on this site. By the way, this has advantages because the Winamp Monkey's plugin is configurable, whereas the QCD one isn't at the moment. Come to think of it, the latest version of the Winamp plugin manager (v.1.50b) can only be found in this thread:

http://www.quinnware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=565

[Todd The Kiwi]

The Winamp Monkey's plugin works fine with Shao Hao's Winamp plugin manager, which you can find on the input plugins web pages on this site. By the way, this has advantages because the Winamp Monkey's plugin is configurable, whereas the QCD one isn't at the moment. Come to think of it, the latest version of the Winamp plugin manager (v.1.50b) can only be found in this thread:

http://www.quinnware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=565
cool thanks man i'll try it out although i had no success with it a couple of builds ago , i must've done something wrong...

[Todd The Kiwi]

!wicked man , thanks brian (and shaohao)
it seems to be working sweet as at the moment
i don't know why QCDs 'native' .ape plugin won't work?
it feels like winamp is the backbone of qcd sometimes...

[brian]

Well done. Just one other point to keep in mind, in case you've missed it: you still need to have the QCD Monkey's plugin installed and enabled if you want to use the built-in QCD tag editor on your .ape files. But obviously you need to have it further down than the Winamp plugin manager in your input plugins priority list if you want the Winamp plugin to play the files.

[Todd The Kiwi]

Well done. Just one other point to keep in mind, in case you've missed it: you still need to have the QCD Monkey's plugin installed and enabled if you want to use the built-in QCD tag editor on your .ape files. But obviously you need to have it further down than the Winamp plugin manager in your input plugins priority list if you want the Winamp plugin to play the files.
i left it intact and moved it down to the bottom
cool how the winamp ape plugin is configurable too

[krazyd]

The Winamp Monkey's plugin works fine with Shao Hao's Winamp plugin manager, which you can find on the input plugins web pages on this site. By the way, this has advantages because the Winamp Monkey's plugin is configurable, whereas the QCD one isn't at the moment. Come to think of it, the latest version of the Winamp plugin manager (v.1.50b) can only be found in this thread:

http://www.quinnware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=565
Cheers brian, didn't see that thread :)